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Name Lips
03-22-2011, 08:13 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42220931/ns/health-health_care/


Transgender people sue to have birth-records changed
NYC requires proof of surgery, psychiatric evaluation before changing sex on birth certificate

NEW YORK — Joann Prinzivalli has gone through a lot to be a woman, and she wants her birth certificate to show it.

Born Paul Prinzivalli Jr., she says she knew her true identity was female by the time she was 4 and broached the subject with a mental-health adviser as a teenager. But it was decades before she bucked family expectations and social pressures, changed her name and underwent electrolysis and hormone treatment to make a change that cost Prinzivalli her spouse, family, home and job.

About 10 years later, she's still a man in one important context: on her birth certificate. She's been unable to change the gender listed on the document because of city rules that she and some other transgender people call discriminatory, intrusive and out of step with recent moves by the federal government and some states to make it easier for transgender people to change ID documents.

"Knowing that it was a mistake in the first place, and having that fixed, is pretty important to me," the 57-year-old title insurance lawyer said Monday as she sued the city. Two other transgender people have filed similar suits in recent days, and a third plans to do so.

They are contesting a city Health Department practice of requiring people to undergo genital surgery and a post-surgery psychiatric evaluation before changing the gender on their birth certificates, according to the lawsuits. Many transgender people can't have that surgery for medical or financial reasons, and having hormone or other treatment to change gender should be enough, the plaintiffs say.

City lawyers say officials are trying to make sure there are checks on changing an important identity document used for citizenship, Social Security and passport purposes.

"Although we understand the concerns ... the Board of Health should not change its requirements without assurance that the amended certificate cannot be misused," said Gabriel Taussig, a city lawyer. He was responding to a lawsuit filed Monday by Louis Birney, a 70-year-old transgender man. Birney had genital surgery but objects to the requirements for detailed documentation and a psychiatric report, calling them violations of medical privacy.
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Different rules for different documents
Updating ID documents has long been an issue for transgender people. Varying local, state and federal rules sometimes mean a person's sex changes from birth certificate to driver's license to passport. The patchwork result can cause a host of problems in a security-conscious time when IDs are increasingly demanded and scrutinized, whether for boarding a plane or getting a job.

Transgender-rights advocates and others, including the National Association of Social Workers, have encouraged agencies to abandon surgical requirements for changing identity documents, with some results.

Washington state requires only a doctor's or psychologist's note attesting to "appropriate clinical treatment" to change the gender on a driver's license. Illinois agreed in 2009 to develop new standards for how much surgery is required before a person is eligible to switch the gender of a birth certificate. And the U.S. State Department announced last year that transgender travelers no longer will need surgery — just a doctor's certification of appropriate treatment — to declare a new gender on a passport.

"Agencies are recognizing that the appropriate standard is that a physician who is actually treating you says you have transitioned," said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality. The organization isn't involved in the recent New York City lawsuits.

In 2006, city health officials considered dropping their requirement for sex-change surgery before switching a birth certificate's gender. They ultimately decided not to; the health commissioner said the issue needed further study. The agency referred questions Tuesday about the issue to city lawyers.

The state Health Department, which sets birth-certificate policies for areas outside the city, also requires detailed reports of genital surgeries and a psychological report to change the gender on the documents.

The lawsuits say the city discriminates against transgender people by requiring more of them than it does of others who wish to correct birth certificates. Parents trying to fix a mistake in listing a child's sex need only a letter from the birth hospital, the suits say.

At 30, Sam Berkley has had surgery — a double mastectomy — to become the man he has sensed himself to be since childhood. His New York driver's license says he's male, and he's getting a passport.

But the city has turned down his requests to change his birth certificate, saying he failed to provide proof of sex-change surgery, though he submitted a doctor's statement saying he'd had irreversible surgery and had "completed sex reassignment," according to a lawsuit Berkley filed Friday through the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund. It also represents Prinzivalli.

"I don't feel comfortable with the government deciding whether I'm a man or not," Berkley said Monday.

His female birth certificate caused humiliating confusion when he applied for health insurance at a new job, Berkley said. Patricia Harrington, who also plans to sue, said her birth certificate caused problems when she moved out of New York and tried to get a new driver's license.

Harrington, 58, began to live as a woman in her 40s after struggling with her identity since childhood.

"It's been a long journey for me," Harrington said. "I would just like my identification to reflect who I am."
What is the actual purpose of the birth certificate? I'm thinking, offhand, that the certificate should accurately represent the sex of the baby at the time it is born, ignoring all more complex gender issues. But does it really matter? Are there any actual possible negative consequences for allowing it to be changed? If not, maybe it should be allowed just on a whim.

My birth certificate lists the incorrect blood type. I don't see any point in getting it changed. They also incorrectly listed my birth date as 4/3 instead of 3/4 (my parents got that changed the same day). My nephew had his last name incorrectly listed as "Martinez" instead of "Martin" (guess the New Mexico hospitals never see Martins). They got it changed.

But obviously you can't change your birthplace to Paris, France, even if you expatriate there, become a French citizen, and no longer identify as American.

Atropine Mama
03-22-2011, 08:49 PM
Adoption of a child legally changes the parents named on the birth certificate in the US. Deathe adopted our daughter, and six weeks later we got a brand new birth certificate for her that had his name as her father.

Name changes are also issued new birth certificates under certain circumstances. Marital changes don't warrant one but a court-ordered change will -- our daughter's adoption afforded the opportunity to change her (middle) name and the current BC reflects the new name, not the one given at birth. Deathe changed his name in his 20's and if we ordered a copy of his BC it would have his current name.

Birth certificates can be changed and I see no reason to allow parentage to change but not physical gender. They are used for access/identification for current things, they should reflect current information about parentage, gender, name, etc. Birthplace would stay stationary, but the others can change and the legal document should reflect that.

AZRogue
03-22-2011, 11:08 PM
Birth certificates can be changed? Damn, I never knew that. I would have reasoned along similar lines to Namelips. However, if they're changed anyway, I don't see why you couldn't change gender to keep up with a person's present circumstances. I might have argued differently before, when I thought they were unchanging documents, but if that's not the case I don't see why the change can't be made to help someone try and achieve a bit of happiness. Lord knows there's not enough of it in the world.

I think I've learned my trivia-tidbit of the day. I can now sleep.

Redallia
03-25-2011, 09:44 AM
What is the actual purpose of the birth certificate?

I think it exists to provide a record of who was born to which parents, where and when. Kinda like a death certificate.

The question isn't about whether it should be changed - BCs are changed all the time, for all kinds of reasons - but about what the requirements for changing should be.

By having a requirement for getting the document changed be surgery, people who just can't afford it are screwed over. Plus, the surgery itself is pretty invasive and can be kinda risky, so some might decide against it for merely pragmatic reasons. It's not a good requirement. A better one might be therapist recommendations and notes from the administrating doctor confirming a long term hormonal treatment. Still not great, but seems like it would be in line with the requirements for changing other aspects of a BC.

Varaj
03-25-2011, 09:56 AM
I think it exists to provide a record of who was born to which parents, where and when. Kinda like a death certificate.

It isn't to provide a record of who was born to which parents or the wouldn't change the birth parents to reflect adoption (which they do).
I am listed as the father of birth on my adopted daughters birth certificate.

I think they are purely a government issued identification document similar to a driver's license.

Ancalagon
04-03-2011, 12:22 AM
That doesn't feel right to me - and more the adopted part than the gender change!

I can see adding an adoptive parent to a birth certificate, but not *removing* one. If Joe Bloe is your biological father, that fact is unchangeable.

Varaj
04-03-2011, 02:15 AM
That doesn't feel right to me - and more the adopted part than the gender change!

I can see adding an adoptive parent to a birth certificate, but not *removing* one. If Joe Bloe is your biological father, that fact is unchangeable.

In the US biological father, nor mother has no legal meaning other than to provide a default starting point for legal father and mother. A birth certificate is an identification document similar to a driver's licence or social security card.
In the US a sealed set of records of the birth certificate is kept so the government, or others can back track if needed, but why make a person keep a huge pile of documents to prove who you are, even more so when the adopted parents might not want to tell the child, school system, dmv, etc.

It might be people are stuck on the name "birth" instead translate birth into "base identification" and it will help. :)

AZRogue
04-04-2011, 12:29 PM
It does help to not think of it as a "birth" certificate. The name, itself, implies a record detailing the situation as it existed at the time of "birth". At least, that's what I always assumed.

If people can change them so as to reflect a change in name, or after an adoption, then really there isn't a good reason to not allow transgender people to change them as well.

The question we should be debating, however, is this: should an "Identification" document as important as a Birth Certificate be changed to reflect a transgender's self-realized gender, instead of their physical one? I would lean towards allowing it because, hey, I'm not that happy with identification in the first place, but I can see the argument being made that it should reflect the physical reality or lose some of its value as a legitimate means of identification. I could have my Birth Certificate changed to reflect that I'm a woman, for example, and then, later, whip out my testicles to show that it's clearly not me the document is referring to.

Kind of silly and "tinfoil hatish" I know, but the argument will be raised.

I say change it, if it's really just an identifying document and not an actual record of the circumstances at birth, even without surgery. If it makes people happy it's worth some theoretical bureaucrat's frustration.