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Aloysius
05-09-2010, 05:56 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/opinion/26douthat.html


Two months before 9/11, Comedy Central aired an episode of “South Park” entitled “Super Best Friends,” in which the cartoon show’s foul-mouthed urchins sought assistance from an unusual team of superheroes. These particular superfriends were all religious figures: Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mormonism’s Joseph Smith, Taoism’s Lao-tse — and the Prophet Muhammad, depicted with a turban and a 5 o’clock shadow, and introduced as “the Muslim prophet with the powers of flame.”
That was a more permissive time. You can’t portray Muhammad on American television anymore, as South Park’s creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, discovered in 2006, when they tried to parody the Danish cartoon controversy — in which unflattering caricatures of the prophet prompted worldwide riots — by scripting another animated appearance for Muhammad. The episode aired, but the cameo itself was blacked out, replaced by an announcement that Comedy Central had refused to show an image of the prophet.

For Parker and Stone, the obvious next step was to make fun of the fact that you can’t broadcast an image of Muhammad. Two weeks ago, “South Park” brought back the “super best friends,” but this time Muhammad never showed his face. He “appeared” from inside a U-Haul trailer, and then from inside a mascot’s costume.

These gimmicks then prompted a writer for the New York-based Web site revolutionmuslim.com to predict that Parker and Stone would end up like Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker murdered in 2004 for his scathing critiques of Islam. The writer, an American convert to Islam named Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, didn’t technically threaten to kill them himself. His post, and the accompanying photo of van Gogh’s corpse, was just “a warning ... of what will likely happen to them.”

This passive-aggressive death threat provoked a swift response from Comedy Central. In last week’s follow-up episode, the prophet’s non-appearance appearances were censored, and every single reference to Muhammad was bleeped out. The historical record was quickly scrubbed as well: The original “Super Best Friends” episode is no longer available on the Internet.

In a way, the muzzling of “South Park” is no more disquieting than any other example of Western institutions’ cowering before the threat of Islamist violence. It’s no worse than the German opera house that temporarily suspended performances of Mozart’s opera “Idomeneo” because it included a scene featuring Muhammad’s severed head. Or Random House’s decision to cancel the publication of a novel about the prophet’s third wife. Or Yale University Press’s refusal to publish the controversial Danish cartoons ... in a book about the Danish cartoon crisis. Or the fact that various Western journalists, intellectuals and politicians — the list includes Oriana Fallaci in Italy, Michel Houellebecq in France, Mark Steyn in Canada and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands — have been hauled before courts and “human rights” tribunals, in supposedly liberal societies, for daring to give offense to Islam.

But there’s still a sense in which the “South Park” case is particularly illuminating. Not because it tells us anything new about the lines that writers and entertainers suddenly aren’t allowed to cross. But because it’s a reminder that Islam is just about the only place where we draw any lines at all.

Across 14 on-air years, there’s no icon “South Park” hasn’t trampled, no vein of shock-comedy (sexual, scatalogical, blasphemous) it hasn’t mined. In a less jaded era, its creators would have been the rightful heirs of Oscar Wilde or Lenny Bruce — taking frequent risks to fillet the culture’s sacred cows.

In ours, though, even Parker’s and Stone’s wildest outrages often just blur into the scenery. In a country where the latest hit movie, “Kick-Ass,” features an 11-year-old girl spitting obscenities and gutting bad guys while dressed in pedophile-bait outfits, there isn’t much room for real transgression. Our culture has few taboos that can’t be violated, and our establishment has largely given up on setting standards in the first place.

Except where Islam is concerned. There, the standards are established under threat of violence, and accepted out of a mix of self-preservation and self-loathing.

This is what decadence looks like: a frantic coarseness that “bravely” trashes its own values and traditions, and then knuckles under swiftly to totalitarianism and brute force.

Happily, today’s would-be totalitarians are probably too marginal to take full advantage. This isn’t Weimar Germany, and Islam’s radical fringe is still a fringe, rather than an existential enemy.

For that, we should be grateful. Because if a violent fringe is capable of inspiring so much cowardice and self-censorship, it suggests that there’s enough rot in our institutions that a stronger foe might be able to bring them crashing down.

Ross Douthat talk about "self-censorship". This is not "self-censorship" : it's censorship, period. The cowardice lies in the institution (private or public) who bows to the islamists (thus enhancing their ability to enforce even more abject censorship), not in the authors.

shiningbrow
05-09-2010, 06:41 AM
That sounds about right. You are certainly preaching to the converted here, Aloysius!

The Winslow
05-09-2010, 08:13 AM
Here is a talisman that should protect this thread from Islamists:

The Winslow
05-09-2010, 08:15 AM
Now they can't read further without committing a terrible offence for which they would have to commit "Al Sepuqqu" as the only way to cleanse themselves of taint.

That's what South Park should do. Precede all appearances of Mohammed by seizure-inducing montages of depiction of pigs and dogs to shoo the Muslims away.

Ancalagon
05-09-2010, 09:58 AM
this self-censorship because of violence is indeed disquieting...

... but I predict that those who will break it first will either be:

A: fringe artists
B: Fox News.

So - the far left or the far right, really.

Cat of Ulthar
05-09-2010, 12:40 PM
I agree with the gist of the article, though I don't agree with the statement that Geert Wilders is an example of free speech that has been challenged because it offends islam - Geert Wilders is offensive in general, but he slanders muslims, not just islam, and he was taken to court for inciting hatred against a demographic, which is rightfully illegal in the Netherlands.

cyphersmith
05-09-2010, 12:51 PM
I agree with the gist of the article, though I don't agree with the statement that Geert Wilders is an example of free speech that has been challenged because it offends islam - Geert Wilders is offensive in general, but he slanders muslims, not just islam, and he was taken to court for inciting hatred against a demographic, which is rightfully illegal in the Netherlands.

I disagree that inciting hatred should be illegal, unless it also directly incites violence. ie, a person should be able to tell people that they should hate fags, but if they also say that people should go out and kill fags, and that happens, then they are guilty of at least accessory to murder.

Cat of Ulthar
05-09-2010, 01:09 PM
I disagree that inciting hatred should be illegal, unless it also directly incites violence. ie, a person should be able to tell people that they should hate fags, but if they also say that people should go out and kill fags, and that happens, then they are guilty of at least accessory to murder.

What about if they say other people should discriminate against fags, not give them equal citizen rights, decide they were not allowed to wear pink, etc? And inciting hatred against demographics has been illegal in the Netherlands since WWII, which saw a demographic being nearly wiped out after hatemongering. We are much more sensitive about such things than Americans and Brits.

Hatter
05-09-2010, 01:12 PM
What about if they say other people should discriminate against fags, not give them equal citizen rights, decide they were not allowed to wear pink, etc? And inciting hatred against demographics has been illegal in the Netherlands since WWII, which saw a demographic being nearly wiped out after hatemongering. We are much more sensitive about such things than Americans and Brits.

I understand the sensitivity, I just don't think that outlawing hate speech eliminates hatred, it just makes it less visible.

shiningbrow
05-09-2010, 01:24 PM
True. I remember once calling a number that was advertised in the local "underground" newspaper as "Dial a Nazi," out of curiosity. It began with a woman's voice saying, "Let Freedom Ring." The diatribe that followed was racist and filled with hate speech. It was a recording promulgated by the local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.

Outlawing hate speech won't make the sentiments or the expression of it go away, it will just make it go underground. The only way to eliminate hate is through education and fostering understanding of difference through direct contact between different groups.

Cat of Ulthar
05-09-2010, 02:13 PM
I see what you mean, but outlawing it will at least not make it a feature of parliament. As Geert Wilders is set to be the biggest politician in the Netherlands in the next elections, I would like some legal limit to what he can say or do.

Varaj
05-09-2010, 02:20 PM
I think hiding it makes it harder to fight.

Aloysius
05-09-2010, 03:17 PM
I think forcing the hatemongers to the underground forbid them to become mainstream.
As for the difference between "inciting hatred" and "inciting violence", there is none IMHO. If you hate someone, you will seize any opportunity (real or perceived, think about what alcohol + racism can do) to harm them, as long as you can escape reprisals.

The Winslow
05-09-2010, 03:36 PM
I think hiding it makes it harder to fight.

I think fighting it makes it go into hiding if it has the lower hand, or fight back otherwise. Banning it is fighting it.

Varaj
05-09-2010, 03:47 PM
I think fighting it makes it go into hiding if it has the lower hand, or fight back otherwise. Banning it is fighting it.

Looking at the political parties in Europe vs the US it doesn't seem like banning it has worked very well.

Banning has almost never been an effective counter to ideas. Ideas are countered with other ideas.

Aloysius
05-09-2010, 03:56 PM
Looking at the political parties in Europe vs the US it doesn't seem like banning it has worked very well.

Apples and oranges... You have only two parties in the US, while most of Europe has more. The US equivalent of the Front National or the Vlaams Belang (or most other far right parties) is simply incorporated inside the republican party.