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Ancalagon
12-16-2009, 09:17 PM
I don't like this.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/12/15/tech-internet-australia-filter.html


Australian government to introduce internet filter
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 | 3:15 PM ET
The Associated Press

Australia plans to introduce an internet filtering system to block obscene and crime-linked websites despite concerns it will curtail freedoms and won't completely work.

Adopting a mandatory screening system would make Australia one of the strictest internet regulators among the world's democracies. Authoritarian regimes commonly impose controls. China drew international criticism earlier this year with plans to install filtering software on all PCs sold in the country.

The government said Tuesday it will introduce legislation next year for the filter system to help protect Australians, especially children, from harmful material on the internet. Critics say it will not prevent determined users from sharing such content, and could lead to unwarranted censorship by overzealous officials.

Communication Minister Stephen Conroy said the government would be transparent in compiling its blacklist of websites, but did not give details.

Conroy said the Australian filter was among a number of new measures aimed at strengthening online protection for families. It aims to block material such as child pornography, bestiality, rape and other sexual violence, along with detailed instructions about committing crimes or using illicit drugs.

Such material is already banned from publication on Australian sites, but the government currently has no control over it being accessed on servers overseas.

Conroy conceded it may not be completely successful.

"The government has always maintained there is no silver bullet solution to cyber-safety," he said in a statement. But, "it is important that all Australians, particularly young children, are protected from this material."

Critics say illegal material such as child pornography is often traded on peer-to-peer networks or chats, which would not be covered by the filter.

"The government knows this plan will not help Australian kids, nor will it aid in the policing of prohibited material," said Colin Jacobs, vice chairman of Electronic Frontiers Australia, a nonprofit group that seeks to promote online freedoms.

"Given the problems in maintaining a secret blacklist and deciding what goes on it, we're at a loss to explain the minister's enthusiasm for this proposal," Jacobs said in an online posting.

The group is concerned the blacklist of sites to be blocked by the filter and the reasons for doing so would be kept secret, opening the possibility that legitimate sites might be censored.

Test shows speeds not slowed

Conroy's announcement coincided with the release of a report on a trial that found internet service providers were able to block a list of more than 1,300 sites selected by the government without significantly hampering download speeds.

Telstra, Australia's largest internet service provider, said blacklisting offensive sites using a filter system was feasible as long as the list was limited to a defined number of web addresses, but that no single measure would make the internet 100 per cent safe.

"The blocking of a blacklist of sites is one element of the multifaceted approach that is required to create a safer online environment," Telstra Director of Public Policy David Quilty said.

Jacobs said smaller internet service providers would likely struggle to pay the costs of imposing the new filters. Conroy said the government would help providers implement the filters, without going into details.

The filter would not likely be in place before early in 2011.

Countries such as Egypt and Iran impose strict internet controls, and bloggers have been imprisoned. China has a pervasive filtering system.

Controls in democracies that value free speech are less strict, though internet providers have at times blocked or taken down content deemed to be offensive.

Canada, Sweden and Britain have filters, but they are voluntary. In the United States, Pennsylvania briefly imposed requirements for service providers to block child pornography sites, but a federal court struck down the law because the filters also blocked legitimate sites.

Dacke
12-16-2009, 09:27 PM
Canada, Sweden and Britain have filters, but they are voluntary.
Voluntary in the sense of "You ISPs had better agree to filter these URLs, or we'll make it an actual law."

Of course, the Swedish filter is easily evaded by using something like OpenDNS, since all it is is a DNS redirection - if you try to go to www.kiddiepr0n.com you'll instead be shown a page saying "Shame on you for watching child porn."

DarwinOfMind
12-16-2009, 10:05 PM
I was under the impression Australia already had this filter in place for a few years now. I heard all about it on talk radio a couple months back and they were talking like it was already in place for some time.

They were talking about how a dentists office website was on the list and were all worried about how what if like the guy who made the decision's brother was a competitive dentist or something. It turned out the dentist in question had his website hacked and child porn put on it a few years ago so it got permabanned, while I'm not even sure if that deserves a permaban, above and beyond that, who gets to make these decisions. How do we know that the next banned denist won't be for crooked reasons.

Pigs in Space
12-16-2009, 10:37 PM
It hasn't gone ahead yet because it's a ridiculous proposal to implement, and the ISPs are screaming about it, because they are being forced to bear the costs of implementing something that is impossible, which they aren't allowed to know the details of

Also, it doesn't work.

Also it's censorship, and it's not clear who gets to choose what is blacklisted.


I read it best in a comment on an abc news article discussing this. A bloke said something to the tune of: "Why don't we also spend money on other impossible ideas, like the taming of the Brontosaurus? Those guys would revolutionize the farming industry."

I am completely and utterly against this, and here is why:


Fuck you and your censorship laws. I will decide what I view, not the righteous minority.
This has proven to slow the internet speeds (in our already backwater country) by between 7 and 83%.
Type "free web proxy" into google. Congratulations, there are 500 sites that a 9 year old can use to bypass the filter. That was worth the millions of dollars!
Fuck you senator Conroy, you fascist religious fuck. Eat a dick.


Action!
http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442
http://netalarmed.com/
http://nocleanfeed.com/
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4111/1224238260703ua3.gif
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7369/illegalch6.gif

Hatter
12-16-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm continually baffled at the level of intrusiveness the government of Australia is allowed. You guys get the censored flavors of games too. How odd.

Pigs in Space
12-17-2009, 05:25 PM
I'm continually baffled at the level of intrusiveness the government of Australia is allowed. You guys get the censored flavors of games too. How odd.

Hey man, we're fighting the good fight...

And you guys have the patriot act, so neener.

The problem with games is that again, the Moral Minority have got their hands on the laws, and blanket banned any game that is rated Adults only (R18+). So that classification does not exist for games in Australia, although it does for movies.

But hey, games are new technology which is scary and they use electricity which is clearly BORN OF THE DEVIL, and they will make you rape your pets.

Unlike movies, which are light, sunshine and bunnies.

So, game copanies are removing enough bad stuff so that games that should be R18+ are currently being released as MA15+. Or, they aren't modifying the games at all (or in very minor ways, such as removing the nipples, but leaving in the wholesale slaughter of entire villages of brown people) and releasing them like that.

So pretty much, after the internet filter, this is the second most retarded thing going on in Oz right now.

This is a good example of why church and state need to be separated and people that don't understand things have no business making laws that govern them.


ACTION!
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/12/govt-releases-r18-discussion-paper-for-public-consultation/
http://www.ag.gov.au/gamesclassification
http://www.gamers4croydon.org/

Hatter
12-17-2009, 05:35 PM
No wonder it takes so long to release games in Australia. Yahtzee has now lost all right to complain about game companies releasing their crap late there.

Morbidity
12-21-2009, 04:20 PM
PiS they're right. We have got a censorship filter now. It was introduced by the Howard gov't.

The website below seems to summarise it fairly well.

http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens1.html

Morbidity
12-21-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm continually baffled at the level of intrusiveness the government of Australia is allowed. You guys get the censored flavors of games too. How odd.
Australians are extremely willing to accept rules that the gov't thinks are in our best interest. Thus I think we were the first country in the world to have compulsory seatbelts, one of the first to have blood alcohol limits for driving, extremely strict gun control, etc. In many cases this is beneficial for society.

The difficulty is determining when it spills over into civil liberties, which I think this one probably does. The problem is that on the surface it just banning things which are already illegal. It's illegal to look at child porn, therefore why is banning child porn sites a bad thing? It's the implications of where it goes that's a problem. It reminds me of an employer I worked for who banned the word "sex" in emails. In theory no one should want to use the word "sex" in work emails right? Except, I use the word "sex" all the time in my emails ... e.g. mortality continues to be substantially different by sex. Thus I am against censorship and this sort of thing b/c I think it's a very blunt instrument and doesn't achieve what it's trying to.

DarwinOfMind
12-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Reminds me of years ago when Yahoo decided for the good of the internet they would stop VBscript viruses in email. They simply picked a few common programming words and replaced them with synonyms, on any email that passed through yahoo even if it wasn't from or to a yahoo customer.

Soon we were seeing people in dnd discussions talking about "the medicompare period." Well meaning actions often have unintended consequences.

Brynja
12-22-2009, 11:34 AM
No wonder it takes so long to release games in Australia. Yahtzee has now lost all right to complain about game companies releasing their crap late there.

What is a day without Yahtzee complaining? I dont mind his complaints I think his voice is vaguely sexy

nerfherder
12-22-2009, 09:13 PM
Reminds me of years ago when Yahoo decided for the good of the internet they would stop VBscript viruses in email. They simply picked a few common programming words and replaced them with synonyms, on any email that passed through yahoo even if it wasn't from or to a yahoo customer.

Soon we were seeing people in dnd discussions talking about "the medicompare period." Well meaning actions often have unintended consequences.
The one that sticks in my mind was AOL's profanity filter that prevented some UK users registering their address as Scunthorpe.

Hatter
12-29-2009, 09:49 AM
link (http://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria-police-get-extra-search-powers-20091216-kwnh.html)

Victoria police get extra search powers
December 16, 2009

Comments 11

A crackdown on drunkenness and violence will continue in Victoria with new laws brought in today, including extra powers for police to strip search people for weapons.

Police can also issue $234 on-the-spot fines for people who refuse to leave pubs and clubs when asked.

The new laws come after the nationally-coordinated Operation Unite police crackdown on alcohol-related violence across Australia and New Zealand last weekend.

Under the new search laws, police will be able to declare designated areas for searches if they have a history of violence involving weapons, or they believe such an incident is about to take place.

They will be able to stop and search a person without a warrant in the areas, such as train stations or city blocks.

The areas will be designated for a 12-hour period only and, by law, must be advertised in a government gazette and newspaper seven days in advance.

Deputy Commissioner Kieran Walshe hopes to have the first designated areas in place early in the new year.

He said the increased powers were important because there had been a significant rise in weapons crime in the past year.

"Victoria Police statistics from 2008-09 show that robberies involving knives increased by 9.4 per cent in the last year. This is simply unacceptable," Mr Walshe said.

The new powers have been opposed by some, including Liberty Victoria president Michael Pearce.

Opponents say they are an undemocratic, draconian intrusion on civil liberties and human rights, and will enable officers to strip-search children and the disabled.

Mr Walshe said any police action would be justified and appropriate.

"We are concerned with people's rights and respect them but at the end of the day we are also concerned with the community's rights to be safe in the city and elsewhere," he said.

Police will be able to impose fines for the new offence of disorderly conduct as well as drunk and disorderly and drunk.

The new laws include:

The power to direct people to move on from a certain area where it is feared there will be a breach of the peace;

A new offence of disorderly conduct;

On-the-spot penalties;

Random search powers for weapons.

The "No Excuses" campaign launched last week aims to tackle drunken violence in the city before the busy Christmas/new year period.

Another scheme includes reopening a safe community area at St Pauls Cathedral in the city which will provide refreshments to late-night revellers while they wait for a taxi or NightRider bus.

wtf Australia?

The Winslow
12-29-2009, 10:13 AM
The one that sticks in my mind was AOL's profanity filter that prevented some UK users registering their address as Scunthorpe.

I remember a forum where for a brief time, "analysis" was changed into "****ysis".

Dacke
12-29-2009, 02:36 PM
I remember a forum where for a brief time, "analysis" was changed into "****ysis".
Back when I hung out at TSR's chat, you couldn't talk about Moorcock or Dickens there.

Hatter
12-29-2009, 03:00 PM
"Nice shot, kid! Don't get penis-y" - Peter Griffin as Han Solo