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Ink Bleeder
11-18-2009, 12:48 AM
From the AP:

NORLINA, N.C. - That old adage “No rest for the weary” could have been coined with Mark and Barbara Van Art in mind.

Driving from their home in Glendora, N.J., to North Carolina, the Van Arts wanted to stop at a rest area on Interstate 85 in Virginia, but it was closed because of state budget cuts. Exiting the highway, they headed for a fast food restaurant — only to discover that it was the same one they had stopped at during an earlier trip and found dirty. It was back to the highway in search of a rest area.

“Rest areas are definitely cleaner,” Barbara Van Art said, as they stood by their car and talked at the North Carolina Welcome Center, near the border with Virginia.

But rest areas may also be harder to find than in the past.

Several states have shuttered rest areas because of financial woes. Some say they're no longer necessary with the growth of fast food restaurants, gas stations and other facilities at interstate interchanges.

Try telling that to a family with a crying child who has to go the bathroom. Or to a driver who feels drowsy. Or to a dog owner whose pet needs to be walked.

“In a way, rest areas are something that have been taken for granted and are just there,” said Joanna Dowling, a cultural historian who researches rest areas and has a Web site called RestAreaHistory.org. “They have become this natural essential part of American travel.”

And when they're closed, people take notice.

This summer, Georgia closed two rest areas on Interstate 85 not too far from Atlanta. The state is considering whether to shutter others, or cut back hours of operation.

“We've just got significant budget deficits and are trying to find ways to save money,” said David Spears, press secretary for the Georgia Department of Transportation. The annual savings: $300,000 for each closed rest area, he said.

Spears said the growth of private businesses in urban areas have made rest areas somewhat duplicative. “Certainly in rural parts of the state, there's still a need for them,” he said.

Georgia is not alone in looking at rest areas for potential cost savings.

In October, the Arizona Department of Transportation closed 13 rest areas, citing a $100 million budget shortfall.

Virginia closed 19 of its 42 rest areas. State officials estimate that it costs about $500,000 to operate each.

“From a traffic safety standpoint, we are concerned about it,” said John Townsend, manager of public relations for AAA's Mid-Atlantic Club.

Virginia's Republican Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell pledged during his campaign to reopen the rest stops within 90 days of taking office.

Townsend said 20 percent of crashes and 12 percent of all near-crashes are caused by drowsy drivers. Rest areas on the highway make it easy for drivers to stop and rest.

That's why they were created in the first place.

The earliest form of roadside parks for weary travelers appeared in the 1920s. Before long, picnic tables and barbecue grills were added, and sometimes toilets, Dowling said. The rest areas travelers are familiar with today came into being after the 1956 creation of the Interstate Highway System, which had limited on-off access. The first standardized guidelines for rest areas covering such things as toilet facilities and potable water were released two years later.

States have the responsibility for creating and maintaining rest areas.

David Cattelino, publisher of the Interstate Rest Area Guide, estimates that there are between 1,500 and 2,000 rest areas on American roads, depending on how you define them. Most will have rest rooms, perhaps a picnic table or a place to walk the dog.

“They probably started out as more essential because there was no place else to stop,” Dowling said. “Now some people think of them as less essential because there's so much more commercial development at interchanges.”

That raises some interesting issues, she said. Should, for example, a fast food restaurant or other commercial for-profit venture have the responsibility of providing public toilets? What about issues of safety or congestion that might be created by people exiting the highway to look for a place to stop?

Some toll roads have commercial, for-profit rest stops. So why not interstate highways?

Federal law says “the state will not permit automotive service stations or other commercial establishments for serving motor vehicle users to be constructed or located on the rights-of way-of the Interstate System.” Proceeds from the vending machines at the interstate rest areas must go to non-profit organizations.

But that law does not apply to toll roads, many of which already existed when the interstate system was created and were subsequently incorporated into it.

“They allowed for businesses to provide these services so you wouldn't have to pay to get off the road and then back on,” Dowling said.

As a result, you can see for-profit rest areas filled with gas stations and fast food restaurants on the toll part of I-95 in Maryland, for example, but a state-run one with no commercial services on the part of the road that's free to travel.

The Federal Highway Administration, on its Web site, offers this response to those interested in setting up a business at an interstate rest area: “Safety rest areas are intended to serve motorists by allowing them to take a short break, use the rest rooms, shake off drowsiness, and then move on. The absence of commercial services (except for vending machines) means motorists can stop without any pressure to make purchases. For food, gasoline, lodging, and other commercial services, motorists can leave the highway and return to it without a toll charge.”

Some states are looking at the possibility of seeking a waiver that would allow them to privatize operation of rest areas as a way to keep them going.

All the news about rest areas isn't about them closing.

Some states are using economic stimulus funds to update or rebuild them.

In California, for example, the Shandon Roadside Rest Area on Highway 46 in San Luis Obispo County will be rebuilt. The existing facility, the state Department of Transportation said in a news release, “no longer adequately meets the needs of its over 1.5 million annual users. This facility has become outdated, inefficient and costly to maintain.”

The updated facility will include new buildings and restrooms and comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act. There will be areas for picnics and for pets.

But there's one catch.

The facility will be closed for about a year while the work is being done.

I have to admit, I'm surprised the rest areas are so expensive to maintain. The ones I recall in the 1970s were basically outhouses. Still, they are worlds better than most gas station/fast food toilets now, and as the article points out, they're free and provide a safe place to nap, smoke, empty the pets, stretch your legs, and picnic. There are vast stretches of the desert southwest with only one rest area between destinations, and I can't imagine a road trip without them, especially with kids in the car. :grey:

Dawnstar
11-18-2009, 04:06 PM
I can see them costing that much. You have to pay someone to clean them then you have the plumbing bills is things go wrong. Plus you have lighting, grounds upkeep, trash removal. Plus the cost of water to the rest areas which is one i bet people forget.

It is sad to see them going by the way side> they are nice to have but are not something that is required.

Harry
11-19-2009, 12:24 AM
What I've never been able to understand is that at least in the eastern and Southern states which I'm used to traveling, once you see one of those big, honking ranch style rest areas with restrooms, vending machines and large grassy areas to frolic in, you're certain to be within a half hour or so drive of a major city. If you're in bum-fuck Egypt with nowhere to piss but the side of the road for 300 miles, good luck finding a rest area.

Caliphis
11-19-2009, 09:06 AM
If you're in bum-fuck Egypt with nowhere to piss but the side of the road for 300 miles, good luck finding a rest area.


We call that New Mexico. It is 225 miles from here to las cruces, there is one rest stop and one city on the way.

Name Lips
11-19-2009, 09:23 AM
We call that New Mexico. It is 225 miles from here to las cruces, there is one rest stop and one city on the way.

It's not nice to call Socorro a rest stop. :tongue:

shiningbrow
11-19-2009, 11:50 AM
That article was interesting and also very sad. Whatever happened to the Great Society in which there would be education for all, technology would solve our woes and there was money in every Federal project (including rest areas) for public works of art? We seem to have become so short sighted. Nobody wants to pay taxes and when they cut public services everyone is upset, but in the end, nobody (especially the wealthy who are most able to spread some of that wealth around) wants to pay. What kind of world is it when people would rather hoard tons of surplus money rather than educate dhildren, care for the sick and help the poor? A sick one, to be sure. Bernie Madoff had how many houses? How many does one really need? I'm no communist, but it's clear to see that regulation and redistribution of wealth is necessary when "Compassionate Conservatism" leads to this kind of dysfunction in one of the wealthiest industrialized nations on earth.

DarwinOfMind
11-19-2009, 01:12 PM
I hear it constantly, people every day compliaing about taxes and at the same time complaining about bad roads. It boggles my mind.

Janos
11-19-2009, 01:24 PM
I'm surprised they don't talk about the cost of keeping those rest rooms safe. It's a major concern and cost both keeping them relatively clean, free of graffiti and safe to use.

Pigs in Space
11-19-2009, 07:15 PM
That article was interesting and also very sad. Whatever happened to the Great Society in which there would be education for all, technology would solve our woes and there was money in every Federal project (including rest areas) for public works of art? We seem to have become so short sighted. Nobody wants to pay taxes and when they cut public services everyone is upset, but in the end, nobody (especially the wealthy who are most able to spread some of that wealth around) wants to pay. What kind of world is it when people would rather hoard tons of surplus money rather than educate dhildren, care for the sick and help the poor? A sick one, to be sure. Bernie Madoff had how many houses? How many does one really need? I'm no communist, but it's clear to see that regulation and redistribution of wealth is necessary when "Compassionate Conservatism" leads to this kind of dysfunction in one of the wealthiest industrialized nations on earth.
I'm glad you're not a communist, cos those are some dangerous ideas, right there.

Caliphis
11-21-2009, 11:41 AM
It's not nice to call Socorro a rest stop. :tongue:

What else would you call it?

Schizm
11-21-2009, 02:15 PM
Nerd finishing school.
What else would you call it?