Google Wave

[DarwinOfMind]

I now have a google wave account...


Not quite sure what I've got...

[Bagpuss]

Still hoping for one.

[DarwinOfMind]

As soon as I get the right to do invites I'll be offering them here.

[AriesOmega]

I have read about this...but I still have no idea what it is. Could you or someone explain it to the laymen?

[Name Lips]

Throw an invite my way when you get one please!

[Bagpuss]

I have read about this...but I still have no idea what it is. Could you or someone explain it to the laymen?

Watch their looong video (1 hour 20 mins).

http://wave.google.com/help/wave/about.html#video

[Name Lips]

From what I gather it's one of those things that's hard to explain, but easy to use and get into. And then you can't imagine not using it.

But in a nutshell it's a new way of communicating/collaborating over the internet. Like combining wikis with email with chatrooms with twittering with sharing files in one single strange, new creature.

[Hatter]

If you have a spare invite at some point I'm very interested.

[Dr_Avalanche]

Me too.

[Name Lips]

From what I understand once somebody gets invited, they get 8 free invites. So even if DoM only shares one of his with other KTers, and that person shares just one of theirs, and so on, our whole community should be good. :)

[DarwinOfMind]

Actually from what I'm understanding Initial Google Invites recieve 8 invites.

I got one of those 2nd teir invites....

We've yet to see if it chains, I may or may not get invites.

Naturally if i do, some are going here, but additionally my coworkers have to get on, (because this is the ultimate collaboration tool!) and also my gaming group...

[Droid101]

I've got it, but I don't have invites yet. I'll let you know.

[Harry]

Have any of you figured out what it's good for yet? Heck, have you figured out what it is yet?

[Name Lips]

Have any of you figured out what it's good for yet? Heck, have you figured out what it is yet?

Watch the video linked above.

[Harry]

Watch the video linked above.

Watch their looong video (1 hour 20 mins).

:what:

This is what message boards are for. If I had an hour and 20 minutes to blow on some software promo, I might finally get around to watching Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, but not this.

[DarwinOfMind]

You know how they say a picture's worth a thousand words?

The video's an hour and a half long... it's worth approx 1 million words, I can't really explain it

I'll strip it down to "Email, Chat, IM, and Wiki's unholy lovechild" but that really doesn't do it, you gotta watch the video

[Schizm]

:what:

This is what message boards are for. If I had an hour and 20 minutes to blow on some software promo, I might finally get around to watching Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, but not this.

combine the good parts of email, instant messenger, social networking, and wiki documents. Add in extensions/applications.

[Schizm]

got my invite today. I'll start dishing out the invites as soon as I get them.

Liking what I see so far.

[Lady Fury]

I got my Google Wave account today. When I have invites I'll post again.

[DarwinOfMind]

Ok, I've just got 8 wave invites this morning...

So I'll need to figure out who their going to... Anyone who wants in fire me off some email addresses. 8 is not alot so I'll hand the list off to some other kay waver after I run out.

Other Kay wavers hey get in touch with me, whiteflame74@googlewave.com

[Dacke]

I signed up at Google for an invite, but if I could get one here that would be most appreciated as well. I'd love to play with this toy.

My email is staffan.johansson@gmail.com.

[Lady_Acoma]

I'm interested as well if there are invited being offered.


MarciaE.Probst@gmail.com

[Schizm]

I got my Google Wave account today. When I have invites I'll post again.

what's your wave email addy? I'm starting a KT wave

[Name Lips]

Ok, I've just got 8 wave invites this morning...

So I'll need to figure out who their going to... Anyone who wants in fire me off some email addresses. 8 is not alot so I'll hand the list off to some other kay waver after I run out.

Other Kay wavers hey get in touch with me, whiteflame74@googlewave.com

pm sent. :)

[Schizm]

I have no wave invites yet, but we'll start a wave list of who wants to be invited... if you post your gmail in this thread.

[Lady Fury]

what's your wave email addy? I'm starting a KT wave

I just responded to the wave.

[Schizm]

mmmhmmm. Figured out your wave addy from your gmail via facebook.... bwahaha.

[Lady Fury]

That works as well. :win:

[Schizm]

our current list of invite requests for which we have a gmail addy:
Dacke
Lady Acoma
Hatter
Name Lips

invite requests with no gmail:
dr. avalanche
bagpuss
--------

current KT'ers who have:
Darwinofmind
Lady Fury (and sing)
Schizm
Droid101

[Random Encounter]

Darwin already has my Gmail address but is probably running out of invites.
If anyone gets a spare my Gmail address is JoralG@Gmail.com

[Radu]

add Radu to that list of peeps who want an invite!

johncoffm@gmail.com

[Lady_Acoma]

I found this (http://danieltenner.com/posts/0012-google-wave.html) explanation on Google Wave very interesting and helpful.

[Random Encounter]

I played around with it a little this weekend. And I had an actual live conversation yesterday, with one participant off line and 2 of us on.
With 2 or more people online it feels a lot like a really robust IM or chat-room, but different.
With people currently offline it feels a bit more like an Email or Forum post, but different.

I can see using it for things that require colaborative effort and/or require input from multiple people. For example it would make organizing a potluck trivial as people online or off could at any point pull up the wave to see an up to date list of who is coming and what everyone is bringing and edit the list to add thier own dish, which would also update anyone else viewing the wave now or in the future.

I'm thinking that once my gaming group has access that I'll be putting my character sheet in a wave. Then my GM (Hatter) can keep track of my stats and I can change the wave any time I spend exp or gain an item like new weapons or hearthstones. On Hatter's side he can either leave the wave in his inbox or set up a folder for gaming waves and only have it show in the inbox when I make changes. And if he changes anything on my sheet I will get it in my inbox as a changed wave.

Now I just need map and calendar apps for Exalted that I can insert in the wave and we could almost go paperless for our game. =)

[Droid101]

I found this (http://danieltenner.com/posts/0012-google-wave.html) explanation on Google Wave very interesting and helpful.

That's a good explanation, but it also begs the question: why should I use it?

I don't do any kind of collaboration like this at work, so it becomes pointless to me.

I guess that's fine, I don't use 99.9999999999% of the software in the world. Why should this be any different?

[Random Encounter]

I forgot to mention that there are a few things I wish it did that it either doesn't do or I couldn't figure out how to make it do.

After having a live conversation last night I wanted to clean up the wave for readability so that those who came along after wouldn't see the mess of embedded replies and questions that appear further down than their answers and such.

While you can delete any section of text no matter who wrote it, I can't find a way to move the sections around within the wave, especially annoying when someone hits reply on a text box someone else is currently typing in and the reply splits up their text inside the dialog box.

And while I like the "Copy to New Wave" option for a dialog box, it doesn't seem to move all the associated replies or even provide that option. I wanted to take a bunch of text later in the wave that was personal chat type stuff and move it to another wave rather than delete it outright for being off topic but it seems I would have to copy each section over individually before deleting them.

Now I think Google might like such feedback, so when I get home tonight I will be finding out how to submit this to them. I wonder if I can submit it as a wave and see what they do with the idea? :tongue:

[Dire Wolf]

I have a google wave account also, but no invites to give out yet. My wave address is rjmc64@googlewave.com

[Dire Wolf]

Oh, and I can't find this so called KT wave... any clues on what I should be searching on since Kaytastrophe or Kay Tastrophe doesn't seem to come up with any hits.

[Bagpuss]

invite requests with no gmail:
dr. avalanche
bagpuss


Do you have to have a gmail to get wave invite? I haven't had to, to sign up for asking for an account, or for any other google app.

[DarwinOfMind]

don't think you have to, just a google account

[Dacke]

I got an invite from a RL buddy, so now I'm staffan.johansson@googlewave.com.

[Enk]

I became a Waver just today - enkhidu@ googlewave.com.

[Schizm]

our current list of invite requests for which we have a gmail addy:
Dacke
Lady Acoma
Hatter
Name Lips

invite requests with no gmail:
dr. avalanche
bagpuss
--------

current KT'ers who have:
Darwinofmind
Lady Fury (and sing)
Schizm
Droid101


Invited:
Name Lips
Radu the Wanderer
Hatter

[Schizm]

I became a Waver just today - enkhidu@ googlewave.com.

you've been added to the KT wave

[Name Lips]

Invited:
Name Lips
Radu the Wanderer
Hatter

Yay, thanks!

Except I don't see a notice in my gmail... hmm... maybe it just hasn't arrived yet.

[DarwinOfMind]

Sorry, we forgot to explain...

invites take anywhere from 4 hours to 2 weeks.


I just got more updates so I'm inviting everyone that's left on the list.

[Hatter]

Invited:
Name Lips
Radu the Wanderer
Hatter

Much obliged, folks.

[Random Encounter]

I'll pull mine up again when I get home tonight, but where do you see if you have invites to give out? Is it in a wave,a box near contacts or something sent to the email account?

[Lady Fury]

I have all 8 of my invites still so if anyone else needs one pm me your email addy and I'll send one your way.

[Pigs in Space]

So... do we have a KT wave going?

Or anything?

[Name Lips]

merakspielman@googlewave.com

[Schizm]

I'll pull mine up again when I get home tonight, but where do you see if you have invites to give out? Is it in a wave,a box near contacts or something sent to the email account?

It's a new wave that shows up in your inbox.

[Schizm]

So... do we have a KT wave going?

Or anything?

we do. what's your wave address? I'll invite you to the wave.

[Harry]

merakspielman@googlewave.com

Damn, there's that Schleepman guy again.

How do you know him?

[Schizm]

Damn, there's that Schleepman guy again.

How do you know him?

I hear namelips is sleeping with that schleepman guy's wife.

[Caliphis]

I hear namelips is sleeping with that schleepman guy's wife.


That's ok, I heard that schleepman guy is sleeping with namelips wife. Maybe they have some sort of four way thing going.

[Lady_Acoma]

This explains why Emerald has been so quiet lately for sure...

I now have wave too. Thanks guys! Marciae.probst@gmail

[Bagpuss]

I'm waved up. So could I get an invite to the Kay's wave?

unit7 at hotmail dot com

or adampdevil at googlewave dot com

I've noticed you can't seem to add contacts by their wave addresses (which seems odd).

I've got some invites so if anyone still needs one Pm me.

[Dacke]

I'm waved up. So could I get an invite to the Kay's wave?

unit7 at hotmail dot com

or adampdevil at googlewave dot com

I've noticed you can't seem to add contacts by their wave addresses (which seems odd).
Works for me. Though you have to add the whole wave address - not just "foo", but "foo@googlewave.com"

[Dr_Avalanche]

They seem to be handing out invites like candy now, but if there's someone still in need of one, send me a PM with an e-mail address (preferably gmail, by far easiest) and I'll send you one of mine.

[Random Encounter]

They seem to be handing out invites like candy now, but if there's someone still in need of one, send me a PM with an e-mail address (preferably gmail, by far easiest) and I'll send you one of mine.

I think they realized that, unlike Gmail, Wave is practically useless if you don't have enough of the right friends using it too.

[Schizm]

I think they realized that, unlike Gmail, Wave is practically useless if you don't have enough of the right friends using it too.

That, and they probably really needed to get some advanced infrastructure into place.

[Name Lips]

Did Google Wave just go down? I'm not seeing anything...

[Schizm]

yeah, I've been having problems withit this morning too.

same issues are in both firefox and chrome, so I'm betting it's a google problem. not like google wave is in beta or anything...

[Hatter]

Same here. The perils of betas.

[Dacke]

Had problems earlier tonight, but now it seems to work.

[Name Lips]

OK this is odd...

I invited my friend to google wave. He's posted here a small amount - as wckdtrb. His email address shows up briefly in my list of "invitees" and then vanishes.

Confused, I add wckdtrb@googlewave.com to my contacts list, to see if he already has an account. Bing! Lo and behold, there he is, complete with a picture of him in his distinctive hat.

So I add him to a couple waves... but he never says anything. So I called him up to ask if he ever checks his googlewave account.

He's totally confused. As far as he knows he doesn't have one. He tried logging in (using his gmail address) and it says he needs an invite to join google wave. I described the picture and he says that's his google account profile picture.

But if he doesn't have an actual google wave account, why can I add wckdtrb@googlewave.com to my waves?

[Lady_Acoma]

Report a bug?

[Schizm]

But if he doesn't have an actual google wave account, why can I add wckdtrb@googlewave.com to my waves?

he is too stoned to figure it out?

[AZRogue]

This just hit my radar and ... wow. There's a lot of potential there. I mean, a lot. Of course, the people you need to collaborate with need to be using it to, but if they are? The possibilities for document and conversation evolution is pretty amazing and I'm surprised that I haven't really noticed this app yet.

I feel sooooooo out of the loop. I need to be more careful or my job is going to make me feel like someone who wakes up from a coma. You know, when I eventually am fired for snapping and stabbing everyone in the office with syringes. There are a thousand in a box you know. I could cause some mayhem before running out or being pulled down by the cops.


Soooooooo, anyone have an invite they could send my way? I'm trying to avoid sounding pathetic, but I'll take a pity invite. I'm not proud. :)

azrogue@gmail.com by the way.

[Name Lips]

ok, I'll send you one.

edit: sent. They can take a few hours to go through.

[AZRogue]

Got it! Thanks, amigo. I'll have to check it out later and see what I can do with it.

Thanks again, NL!

[Lady_Acoma]

I invited you to the Kay wave... I think. :what:

[Name Lips]

He's on it, not sure if I just added him or if you did.

[Schizm]

if anyone doesn't have an invite that wants one, speak up - the invites are flowing free from google right now.

[doc]

What can I do with it ?

[Name Lips]

What can I do with it ?

It's like email, chat, and webforums all in one tool. It also allows multiple people to edit and share documents easily.

Right now I'm using it mostly to organize my gaming group. The first "post" of the wave has the next 3 games, times/dates, absences, and so forth. Anybody can edit/update it if they're not going to make it to game or whatever.

The weirdest part is that anybody who's a member of your conversation has complete authority to change anything that anybody else posts. While this is useful as a collaboration tool, I think individual posts need the option for "only editable by me" or "editable by anyone." While abuse is unlikely since you can always replay a history of the wave and see who is editing what, it's still odd for every member to have equal and total authority over the entire wave's contents.

[doc]

That Socialism

[Name Lips]

Well put. It's socialist email. :tongue:

[Dacke]

The weirdest part is that anybody who's a member of your conversation has complete authority to change anything that anybody else posts. While this is useful as a collaboration tool, I think individual posts need the option for "only editable by me" or "editable by anyone." While abuse is unlikely since you can always replay a history of the wave and see who is editing what, it's still odd for every member to have equal and total authority over the entire wave's contents.
The edited posts will also be marked as being written by e.g. "Bob and Andy", so that limits the abuse potential a bit as well. But yeah, a "lock post" feature would be good.

[DarwinOfMind]

permissions and the like are coming, Wave is still alpha right now.

[Harry]

permissions and the like are coming, Wave is still alpha right now.

And there it goes....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/08/04/google.wave.end/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Google plans to drop Wave

Google is pulling the plug on Google Wave.

Google intended the messaging program, launched in 2009, to be a near-replacement for e-mail, which it said had grown tired.

But on Wednesday, the company announced that it is shuttering the project by the end of the year because it didn't have traction with consumers.

"Wave has not seen the user adoption we would have liked," Urs Hölzle, a Google senior vice president, writes on the company's official blog.

"We don't plan to continue developing Wave as a standalone product, but we will maintain the site at least through the end of the year and extend the technology for use in other Google projects."

The post does not say how many people signed up for or used Google Wave.

The code for some of Wave's innovative features -- like instant messages that were sent letter-by-letter as a person typed -- has been made available to the public and could be incorporated into future projects, Google says.

The service aimed to combine all elements of online communication -- instant messages, e-mail, Twitter feeds, etc. -- into a single "wave."

But from the start, Google says, engineers at the company were unsure how the product would be perceived by real Internet users.

"We were equally jazzed about Google Wave internally, even though we weren't quite sure how users would respond to this radically different kind of communication," the company's blog says.

Many people who tried Wave found the service to be complicated and confusing.

Google Wave was created by two Danish brothers, Jens and Lars Rasmussen, who also were the brains behind the more-successful Google Maps.

In interviews with CNN in 2009, the brothers said their goal with Wave was not only to create an outstanding product that would change the nature of online communication but to prove that innovation is still possible at a massive corporation like Google.

Their aim was to make Google Wave completely new -- and therefore risky.

"I do believe that you can achieve more if you're willing to take risks," Lars Rasmussen said at the time.

"There's almost a total correlation between the amount of risk you're willing to take and then the amount of stuff you then potentially can get done."

Wednesday's blog post from Google acknowledges their hard work and lauds them for making advancements in computer science.

"Wave has taught us a lot, and we are proud of the team for the ways in which they have pushed the boundaries of computer science," the post says.

"We are excited about what they will develop next as we continue to create innovations with the potential to advance technology and the wider Web."

Maybe next time, more people will use it.

[Hatter]

It's too bad, it could have been really good if they'd marketed it better and devoted more development to it.

[Name Lips]

I actually still use it sometimes. Better check and make sure I pull everything I need off it.

[Varaj]

Hopefully they will take the advances in tech combined with lessons from what people didn't like to make something better.

[DarwinOfMind]

I'm not at all surprised, but I am disappointed...

[Dacke]

Too bad, I actually like Wave. I use it mostly for communication with friends in two cases:

1. Coordinating meetings, especially the weekly gaming group meetings (the Yes/No/Maybe widget is excellent for this).
2. Posting links for the friend group.

Sure, I could use a blog or something instead, but I liked Wave's format.

[DarwinOfMind]

Wave was perfect for anything collaborative projects

I used it for organizing our gaming