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Hatter
08-31-2007, 08:02 AM
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/30/iowa.samesexmarriage/index.html)

(CNN) -- An Iowa district court ruled Thursday that same-sex couples can marry based on the state constitution's guarantee of equal treatment, court documents show.

The ruling was in response to a December 2005 lawsuit brought by six same-sex couples seeking to wed. They were denied marriage licenses and claimed such treatment violates equal-protection and due-process clauses in the Iowa constitution.

The court also struck down a state law declaring valid marriages are only between a man and woman.

The Iowa District Court for Polk County advances the case to the Iowa Supreme Court which will make a final decision on same-sex marriage, according to Lambda Legal, a gay and lesbian legal organization representing the couples.

The 63-page ruling, written by Judge Robert Hanson states: "Couples, such as plaintiffs, who are otherwise qualified to marry one another may not be denied licenses to marry or certificates of marriage or in any other way prevented from entering into a civil marriage pursuant to Iowa Code Chapter 595 by reason of the fact that both persons compromising such a couple are of the same sex."

The law describing marriage as between a man and a woman, "constitutes the most intrusive means by the state to regulate marriage. This statute is an absolute prohibition on the ability of gay and lesbian individuals to marry a person of their choosing," Hanson wrote.

Lambda says the six couples are all in long-term relationship - one couple has been together for six years, another couple has been together for 17 years.

"Three of the couples are raising children, others are planning families, and all want the responsibilities of marriage and the protections only marriage can provide," according to the organization.

"We respectfully disagree with the court's decision, and we're going to ask for a stay," said Polk County Attorney John Sarcone.

He said his office will examine whether it's best to file a motion to reconsider. But barring a change in the court's opinion, Sarcone will appeal the ruling.

Co-counsel for the plaintiffs along with Lambda Legal, Dennis Johnson called the ruling "a significant step forward in recognizing the constitutional rights of all Iowans, and it's an amazing day for same-sex couples and their families all across Iowa."

I'm kind of conflicted on this one. On one hand, I agree with the ruling, on the other hand, I'm not convinced that the best way to gain rights is through the court system.

Varaj
08-31-2007, 09:40 AM
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/30/iowa.samesexmarriage/index.html)



I'm kind of conflicted on this one. On one hand, I agree with the ruling, on the other hand, I'm not convinced that the best way to gain rights is through the court system.


I'm not sure you can call it "gaining" rights through the courts as opposed to the courts enforcing what rights are already there.

Kwalish Kid
08-31-2007, 10:06 AM
Rulings like this are what the courts are supposed to do. If you create a fundamental document saying that you want everyone to have equal rights of a certain sort, then you have to actually live by that document.

The Winslow
08-31-2007, 10:51 AM
I'm kind of conflicted on this one. On one hand, I agree with the ruling, on the other hand, I'm not convinced that the best way to gain rights is through the court system.

What other way is there, as far as constitutional stuff is concerned? In this kind of debates, it's up to the courts to prove that something you protest is unconstitutional. And if it's proven it's not, then you're out of luck.

PWD
08-31-2007, 11:04 AM
While it'd be nicer if straights and gays could hold hands together and sing Kumbaya all the way to the legislature where fair laws for everyone regardless of sexual orientation or religious affilliation would be passed....

Ain't gonna happen. The combative legal approach is the correct one for now. It's unfortunate it will sour the issue in the minds of some people, but hopefully it will open up even more minds.

Hatter
08-31-2007, 07:54 PM
The problem is that this will only drum up support for the Federal Marriage Amendment again.

Ancalagon
09-04-2007, 02:21 PM
Rulings like this are what the courts are supposed to do. If you create a fundamental document saying that you want everyone to have equal rights of a certain sort, then you have to actually live by that document.

Exactly.

You can't have a constitution guaranteeing freedom, equality and the right to pursue happiness, but only for people you like... America land of the free? live up to it or shut up.

Ancalagon

Enk
09-04-2007, 02:45 PM
The problem is that this will only drum up support for the Federal Marriage Amendment again.

It likely will. However, I think the chances of such an amendment actually being ratified are quite slim.

cnath.rm
09-04-2007, 08:37 PM
It likely will. However, I think the chances of such an amendment actually being ratified are quite slim.I'm not sure what the odds are of any amendments being able to get through congress and to ratification at this point, seems it would have to take something major, but I'm not sure that possible hate of gay marriage is enough to do it.