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The Theocrat of Poon-Tang
10-09-2009, 07:36 AM
Well, when you've singlehandedly taken care of the Iranian nuclear situation, settled down Afghanistan and brought peace between Israel and her Arab allies, I guess you should win the prize. :rolleyes:

Well done, first black president.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/president-barack-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize/

Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.

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Friday, October 09, 2009

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Oct. 5: President Barack Obama walks down the Colonnade from the Oval Office of the White House in Washington. (AP)


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OSLO -- President Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.

Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama woke up to the news a little before 6 a.m. EDT.

"The president was humbled to be selected by the committee," Gibbs said.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," said Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Nobel Committee.

Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.

"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act," said former Polish President Lech Walesa, a 1983 Nobel Peace laureate.

"This is probably an encouragement for him to act. Let's see if he perseveres. Let's give him time to act," Walesa said.

The award appeared to be a slap at President George W. Bush from a committee that harshly criticized Obama's predecessor for his largely unilateral military action in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The Nobel committee praised Obama's creation of "a new climate in international politics" and said he had returned multilateral diplomacy and institutions like the U.N. to the center of the world stage.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who won the prize in 1984, said Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in coming years.

"It's an award coming near the beginning of the first term of office of a relatively young president that anticipates an even greater contribution towards making our world a safer place for all," Tutu said. "It is an award that speaks to the promise of President Obama's message of hope."

Until seconds before the award, speculation had focused on a wide variety of candidates besides Obama: Zimbabwe's Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, a Colombian senator, a Chinese dissident and an Afghan woman's rights activist, among others. The Nobel committee received a record 205 nominations for this year's prize, though it was not immediately apparent who nominated Obama.

"The exciting and important thing about this prize is that it's given to someone ... who has the power to contribute to peace," Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said.

Obama is the third sitting U.S. president to win the award: President Theodore Roosevelt won in 1906 and President Woodrow Wilson was awarded the prize in 1919.

The Nobel committee chairman said after awarding the 2002 prize to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, for his mediation in international conflicts, that it should be seen as a "kick in the leg" to the Bush administration's hard line in the buildup to the Iraq war.

Five years later, the committee honored Bush's adversary in the 2000 presidential election, Al Gore, for his campaign to raise awareness about global warming.

Obama was to meet with his top advisers on the Afghan war on Friday to consider a request by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, to send as many as 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan as the U.S war there enters its ninth year.

Obama ordered 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan earlier this year and has continued the use of unmanned drones for attacks on militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a strategy devised by the Bush administration. The attacks often kill or injure civilians living in the area.

In July talks in Moscow, Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that their negotiators would work out a new limit on delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads of between 500 and 1,100. They also agreed that warhead limits would be reduced from the current range of 1,700-2,200 to as low as 1,500. The United States now as about 2,200 such warheads, compared to about 2,800 for the Russians.

But there has been no word on whether either side has started to act on the reductions.

Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.

"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakeable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."

Obama also has attempted to restart stalled talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, but just a day after Obama hosted the Israeli and Palestinian leaders in New York, Israeli officials boasted that they had fended off U.S. pressure to halt settlement construction. Moderate Palestinians said they felt undermined by Obama's failure to back up his demand for a freeze.

Nominators for the prize include former laureates; current and former members of the committee and their staff; members of national governments and legislatures; university professors of law, theology, social sciences, history and philosophy; leaders of peace research and foreign affairs institutes; and members of international courts of law.

The Nelson Mandela Foundation welcomed the award on behalf of its founder Nelson Mandela, who shared the 1993 Peace Prize with then-South African President F.W. DeKlerk for their efforts at ending years of apartheid and laying the groundwork for a democratic country.

"We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and the eradication of poverty," the foundation said.

In his 1895 will, Alfred Nobel stipulated that the peace prize should go "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses."

Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, he said the peace prize should be given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Sweden and Norway were united under the same crown at the time of Nobel's death.

The committee has taken a wide interpretation of Nobel's guidelines, expanding the prize beyond peace mediation to include efforts to combat poverty, disease and climate change.

Varaj
10-09-2009, 07:37 AM
I swear they give that prize out to the strangest people. I'm with you on the :rolleyes:

Brynja
10-09-2009, 07:43 AM
yea it seems a bit soon or any of that sort of thing- it remains to be seen how he does. Add me to the list

Name Lips
10-09-2009, 07:45 AM
You're just mad they gave it out to a Kenyan this year.



Seriously, though, I'm not sure about this. What exactly is the committee thinking? Their rationale seems to be that it's a preemptive award that will spur him on to potentially deserve it in the future.

You know MSNBC, right? Liberal-leaning news source. I just checked out the poll there and over 50% of respondants think he doesn't deserve it because he has no significant accomplishements (34% said he does deserve it, and everybody else is a waffler).

Redallia
10-09-2009, 07:57 AM
This has all the feel of handing out awards to kids to make them feel good about themselves. I mean seriously, he's gone from being a minor, adjunct figure in American politics to receiving a Nobel Peace Prize? WTH?

Name Lips
10-09-2009, 07:59 AM
Maybe they figure simply by being elected he's already prevented a few wars that McCain would have started. :tongue:

obryn
10-09-2009, 08:13 AM
When I heard this on NPR this morning, I said, "Whaaa?"

What I really need is that smiley with the question marks over its head. But it's not here. :(

-O

The Theocrat of Poon-Tang
10-09-2009, 08:19 AM
The guy I actually feel sorry for most right now is Obama himself. I'm sure when he reads how this was reacted to he will feel deeply embarrassed. I know he has an ego, but he at least has the sense of decency that was lacking in, say, a Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter.

Freedom Canadian
10-09-2009, 09:15 AM
yea it seems a bit soon or any of that sort of thing- it remains to be seen how he does.

Or, indeed, if he does anything at all.


Their rationale seems to be that it's a preemptive award that will spur him on to potentially deserve it in the future.


Ah, geez.

Yes, I believe you are right. Either that or it's a "you are not GWB" award.

Varaj
10-09-2009, 09:18 AM
I hope he gives the money away in some sort of subtle insult to the noble board for giving him the prize.

DarwinOfMind
10-09-2009, 09:18 AM
I just heard this on NPR and rushed straight here to comment (yeah I"m pathetic)


My first thought was huh? I mean I like Obama, I'm a big fan. but the nobel prize? for what? he's a good president but you don't get a nobel prize for that.

And to be only the 3rd sitting US president, 4th overall, to win the prize? Huh?

TiQuinn
10-09-2009, 09:31 AM
Yeah, this was stupid. I think it was more an attempt for the Nobel committee to thumb their nose at Bush than it had anything to do with Obama. As for Obama, he's getting caught up in the crossfire on this, unfortunately.

Name Lips
10-09-2009, 09:32 AM
The guy I actually feel sorry for most right now is Obama himself. I'm sure when he reads how this was reacted to he will feel deeply embarrassed. I know he has an ego, but he at least has the sense of decency that was lacking in, say, a Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter.

Maybe he'll turn them down and rip them a new one for their stupidity.

I think democrats AND republicans would give him props for that.

Redallia
10-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Maybe he'll turn them down and rip them a new one for their stupidity.

I think democrats AND republicans would give him props for that.

If he did that, he'd jump up a notch or two for me.

Utrecht
10-09-2009, 09:52 AM
Yeah, this was stupid. I think it was more an attempt for the Nobel committee to thumb their nose at Bush than it had anything to do with Obama. As for Obama, he's getting caught up in the crossfire on this, unfortunately.

I agree with this 100%

and I am sure this is one of those gifts that Obama wishes he could return unopened.

Snatch
10-09-2009, 10:03 AM
I swear they give that prize out to the strangest people. I'm with you on the :rolleyes:

Add me to that as well.

Brynja
10-09-2009, 10:30 AM
He should go to a strip club and put it in some dancers G string and call it economic stimulus.

Scarbonac
10-09-2009, 10:53 AM
I think we can all agree that it's not the President's fault that the Committee chose to give him the award.


And he can send the money to my favorite charity: The Scarbonac Home For Unwed Cats.

Cash only, small non-sequential bills.

Aloysius
10-09-2009, 11:07 AM
No one seems to disagree : this is stupid. Maybe Obama will merit it in the future, but it's absolutely too soon to tell. His first year as a president has not even been achieved, and he (logically) still has nearly 0 result !

I wonder what he will do. The best thing would be to refuse the price somehow.

BTW : is this really an absolute board consensus about this ? Whoa !

Space Cadet B^3
10-09-2009, 11:26 AM
I think what he won is the "Not W" award.

Absurd.

DarwinOfMind
10-09-2009, 11:27 AM
I think this is the first time we've all agreed on anything!

Hatter
10-09-2009, 11:44 AM
What the...?

Dr_Avalanche
10-09-2009, 12:14 PM
The Peace prize has for some time now been the Mickey Mouse award among the Nobel prizes. Every other award they are very cautious about not handing out an award too early, they wait and see if the achievement can withstand the test of time - at least for a decade or so. The Peace prize is the exception, and has turned into a vehicle for political correctness. It wasn't much better when Al Gore won it. I admire that man (too), but I don't think he deserved the Peace Prize much more than Obama did (and he didn't). Damn Norwegians...

obryn
10-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Damn Norwegians...
Yup. As my buddy Bret told me today, "Remember, this is just a bunch of crazy vikings." ;)

For the record, I still don't think this is anywhere near as insane as Arafat getting the peace prize back in the early 90's.

-O

DarwinOfMind
10-09-2009, 01:06 PM
you know, after being reminded of Gore and Arafat, you've made me realize the peace prize is a joke anyways, and so it doesn't matter



It's a damn shame that the peace prize became a joke though, out of all the prizes. Mr. Nobel must be disappointed.

Utrecht
10-09-2009, 01:59 PM
It's a damn shame that the peace prize became a joke though, out of all the prizes. Mr. Nobel must be disappointed.

and his dynamite too...

Random Encounter
10-09-2009, 02:04 PM
While I disagree with issuing such a prestigious award for this, I can see thier reasoning.
Obama was very popular (for a US politician) in many places around the world during the campaign last year. And this was at a time when international opinion of the US was extremely low. Him just winning the election made people all over the world (not everyone obviously just in lots of places) feel that maybe America was a little less scary and that changes in American policy could make things better for them somehow.

Whether this line of thinking was justified or not, it still had a noticible impact on international tensions. And I think this impact is what the Nobel people are commenting on with the prize.

But really, all of this was a side effect of his Presidential campaign. Not a reflection on anything he accomplished toward the goal of peace as much as it was a good job convincing people he should be given the job of most powerful man on the planet.

I think they should have waited to see what he is actually going to get done with the power he was entrusted, and how well he is able to live up to his campaign hype; before making the decision to recognize him for strides toward peace.

Utrecht
10-09-2009, 02:44 PM
What is truly mind-blowing about this is that the nominations for the prize were due in by early February - so the only part that should "count" was the first couple of weeks of his presidency.

Here is hoping that he takes the opportunity and sends someone in his stead (for example someone who has spent their entire career working against nucelar weapons or the Arab-Isreali conflict)

Dacke
10-09-2009, 02:49 PM
For the record, I still don't think this is anywhere near as insane as Arafat getting the peace prize back in the early 90's.
Arafat, Peres, and Rabin getting the peace prize in 1994 made perfect sense. This was just after the Oslo accords had been signed, and probably represented the best hope for peace in that region during the century. Later, all sides involved fucked things up again, but in 1994 things were actually looking good.

The Theocrat of Poon-Tang
10-09-2009, 03:25 PM
For the record, I still don't think this is anywhere near as insane as Arafat getting the peace prize back in the early 90's.

-O


Gotta agree 100% there.

DarwinOfMind
10-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Arafat, Peres, and Rabin getting the peace prize in 1994 made perfect sense. This was just after the Oslo accords had been signed, and probably represented the best hope for peace in that region during the century. Later, all sides involved fucked things up again, but in 1994 things were actually looking good.
That's why the peace prize needs a wait and see approach.

Redallia
10-09-2009, 03:55 PM
Obama has already said he's going to donate his winnings to some charities.

Hatter
10-09-2009, 04:28 PM
Andrew Sullivan's quote for the day today:

"You get a Prize! You get a Prize! Everybody gets a Prize!" - Oprah Winfrey.

Merganser
10-09-2009, 06:32 PM
That's why the peace prize needs a wait and see approach.

Nobel's will specifies that the prize be awarded to to "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses" with an implication that it refers to the preceding year.

So when Arafat won the prize, it was to have been given to whomever did the most for peace in the preceding year. I don't have any problems with Arafat having shared the prize that year, since he'd done a lot in the cause of peace at that time - his past was reprehensible, and after the Oslo stuff fell apart he reverted to being an impediment to progress, but he'd acted in the name of peace for the award period.

This doesn't mean Arafat was some great guy or whatever-the-fuck - it's not a sainthood award, it's meant to be an award for someone who does good word to promote peace. I completely disagree that it should be used as some sort of encouragement for more peace, or something, unless it's being given to someone who has already done something peacey, and to urge that person for more peaceniking.

Honestly, Arafat deserved the damn thing more than Obama does. He'd actually _done_ something concrete, for christ's sake! That having been said, hopefully this will spur Obama to get cracking on peace. The award's been given, might as well get some use out of it.

Janos
10-09-2009, 09:37 PM
At this point I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, but I would like to see Obama actually do/achieve something before he's rewarded with a peace prize.

While he's been a popular president so far, he has very little in the way of accomplishments in his presidency, or even successes/failures showing what he has tried to accomplish.

Ancalagon
10-09-2009, 10:14 PM
A lot of the Peace Prizes have been given to people *working* for peace, especially rencently. Actual result don't seem to matter as much... Aung San Suu Kyi won it, but hey, it's STILL a dictatorship in Burma!

From Wikipedia:

Unlike the scientific and literary Nobel Prizes, usually issued in retrospect, often two or three decades after the awarded achievement, the Peace Prize has been awarded for more recent or immediate achievements. Some commentators[who?] have suggested that to award a peace prize on the basis of unquantifiable contemporary opinion is unjust or possibly erroneous, especially as many of the judges cannot themselves be said to be impartial observers.

Apparently Kissinger wont it... damn.

Merganser
10-09-2009, 10:44 PM
A lot of the Peace Prizes have been given to people *working* for peace, especially rencently. Actual result don't seem to matter as much... Aung San Suu Kyi won it, but hey, it's STILL a dictatorship in Burma!

From Wikipedia:



Apparently Kissinger wont it... damn.

I don't mind the idea of giving it to people who are still working, but they should have had more time working than Obama's had. He had a very fast rise through American politics, and even if he'd been a big peace advocate for that entire time, it's not very long.

Harry
10-09-2009, 11:01 PM
Well, when you've singlehandedly taken care of the Iranian nuclear situation, settled down Afghanistan and brought peace between Israel and her Arab allies, I guess you should win the prize. :rolleyes:

Well done, first black president.

Dude! Spoilers! I was waiting all week to find out who won, and you've gone and ruined it for me! Right there in the freakin' title. I couldn't avoid it! You didn't even put spoiler space to prevent accidental roll-over spoilage.

Bad form, all the way around.

And bravo, Mr. Obama. You deserve it, even if all you ever do is getting the international community to send a little respect our way again and wash the smell of Bush away.

Aloysius
10-10-2009, 06:56 AM
And bravo, Mr. Obama. You deserve it, even if all you ever do is getting the international community to send a little respect our way again and wash the smell of Bush away.

Peace nobel prize should not be "US Public relationship nobel prize". :grey:

Radu
10-10-2009, 10:03 AM
I WANT Obama to deserve it, and maybe in the full course of his Presidency he will... but this makes me laugh and cry at the same time. It's kind of funny how the prize has become so cheapened that it's in essence a popularity contest.... because WHAT has the President done to deserve it? Much less in February?

Perhaps they were thinking that he'd stabilize Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe they were thinking he would be more dove than hawk. I have no idea, but as much as I respect the man and his office, I have to agree that President Obama has not yet "earned his stripes" with regard to such honors.

I really would like the prize to be meaningful again. If you get a Nobel prize for any other category, it's a significant accomplishment. It really means something, because you've had to have really achieved something. Unfortunately, many prizes are given out posthumously for that reason, because only time will tell the true impact of our actions. If, somehow, the president had ended the genocides in Darfur, I'd say that merits a prize. He didn't/hasn't yet achieved anything on that scale, so this is way premature.

Ancalagon
10-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Well... I guess at this point, all we can do is hope that in a few years from now, we can say "it was a bit premature, but he really delivered".

Dacke
10-10-2009, 12:34 PM
I WANT Obama to deserve it, and maybe in the full course of his Presidency he will... but this makes me laugh and cry at the same time. It's kind of funny how the prize has become so cheapened that it's in essence a popularity contest.... because WHAT has the President done to deserve it? Much less in February?
The February thing is a smoke-screen. While he was nominated in February, the decision was made only a few days ago. That still makes it premature, but not as premature.

Unfortunately, many prizes are given out posthumously for that reason, because only time will tell the true impact of our actions.
Nobels are not given out posthumously. It used to be that they could be given out to someone who had died in the period between nomination and decision, which happened twice (Erik Axel Karlfeldt, Literature 1931, and Dag Hammarskjöld, Peace 1961). Since 1974, the laureate(s) must be alive at the time of the announcement, although it will be awarded posthumously if the laureate dies between announcement and the award ceremony in December. None of the real Nobels have been awarded posthumously since 1974, but the Economics pseudo-Nobel was awarded posthumously in 1996 (to William Vickrey).

shiningbrow
10-10-2009, 12:54 PM
Well... I guess at this point, all we can do is hope that in a few years from now, we can say "it was a bit premature, but he really delivered".

I agree. Hope springs eternal. I'd love to see people quit killing each other, but it will take a rare politician to bring about peace. Obama's instincts are good, but so much of what he wants presents such formidable obstacles, it will be amazing if he prevails.

As for the Nobel committee, I suspect his address before the U.N. helped a good deal. Maybe they just found him such a refreshing change from the last regime's warmongering arrogance, that this simply reflects a collective sigh of relief.

Radu
10-10-2009, 01:19 PM
Very well, Dacke. I stand corrected and am now eating a delicious word sandwich.

Trainz
10-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Me and my wife are big Obama supporters, but when I told her about this she looked at me funny and said "Oh... but for what???".

So yeah. We both agree this is weird.

Utrecht
10-12-2009, 03:00 PM
a tounge in Cheek editorial on how could it be possible that Obama did not win the Nobel Prize in Economics :lol:


LONDON (MarketWatch) -- In a decision as shocking as Friday's surprise peace prize win, President Obama failed to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences Monday.

While few observers think Obama has done anything for world peace in the nearly nine months he's been in office, the same clearly can't be said for economics.

The president has worked tirelessly since even before his inauguration to wrest control of the U.S. economy from failed free markets, and the evil CEOs who profit from them, and to turn it over to wise, fair and benevolent bureaucrats.

Obama reacts to NobelPresident Obama says he was surprised and humbled by the honor. Video courtesy of Fox Business News.
From his $787 billion stimulus package, to the cap-and-trade bill, to the seizures of General Motors and Chrysler, to the undead health-care "reform" act, Obama has dominated the U.S., and therefore the global, economy as few figures have in recent years.

Yet the Nobel panel chose instead to award the prize to two obscure academics -- Elinor Ostrom and Oliver Williamson -- one noted for her work on managing collective resources, and the other for his work on transaction costs. See full story on the Nobel winners.

Other surprise losers include celebrity noneconomist and filmmaker Michael Moore; U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; and Larry Summers, head of the U.S. national economic council.

It is unclear whether the president will now refuse his peace prize in protest against the obvious slight to his real achievements this year.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-fails-to-win-nobel-prize-in-economics-2009-10-12

Scutisorex Shrewlord
10-14-2009, 12:55 AM
I hear next he is up for the AL Cy Young award, due to the high strikout rate of his policies.

The Theocrat of Poon-Tang
10-14-2009, 08:48 AM
I hear next he is up for the AL Cy Young award, due to the high strikout rate of his policies.

Zing! :lol:

Brynja
10-14-2009, 12:17 PM
Stadtler and Waldorf rise again :)

Janos
10-14-2009, 12:38 PM
Stadtler and Waldorf rise again :)

That's Spoony. Scut is Sweedish Chef.

Scutisorex Shrewlord
10-14-2009, 01:23 PM
That's Spoony. Scut is Sweedish Chef.

Man, that takes me back. Bork! Bork! Bork! :lol:

Atticus_of_Amber
10-20-2009, 12:59 AM
While I was for Clinton in the primaries, I think Obama's doing a pretty good job. Miles better than his predecessor, at least.

But there's no way he deserved this award.