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Name Lips
10-05-2009, 08:09 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33181170/


U.S. ‘asleep at the wheel’ on child porn
Officials say images of younger children becoming more pervasive

BARTOW, Fla. - When a single Florida county arrested 45 men and boys from all walks of life last June on charges of downloading child pornography, some people worried the place had become a haven for deviants.

But top law enforcement officials and child welfare experts say the only thing unusual about Polk County is that its sheriff, Grady Judd, happens to pursue child-porn enthusiasts with more fervor and resources than most.

Child porn has grown so pervasive on the Internet, they say, that police agencies all over the country, using the latest file-tracking technology, could easily spend every day finding and arresting offenders.

"Today, it's truly like shooting fish in a barrel," said Judd, who has directed four child pornography roundups since 2006, resulting in at least 176 arrests in Polk County, a patchwork of orange groves, phosphate mines, modest towns and a half-million people between Tampa and Orlando. The biggest city is Lakeland, population 90,000.

Mike Phillips, chief of the computer crimes section at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said Polk's sheer number of child pornography arrests in recent years is almost unheard of nationally for a single agency.

Specialized training
Judd, whose sheriff's office houses the Internet Crimes Against Children task force for central Florida, has made sure his detectives have gotten the specialized training needed to identify and catch people who download the illegal material from the Internet. He notes that much of the legwork in the latest sweep was done by just two or three detectives, though more were required when deputies raided suspects' homes.

The popular and media-friendly Judd, who when he needs guidance is as likely to reach for the Bible on his desk as he is to go flipping through the Florida criminal code, said his crusade against child porn comes from his fervent commitment to protect children. An "old vice guy," he was arresting child pornographers when they were still trading in magazines and paper photographs.

"We are absolutely committed and send a clear message that if you engage in child pornography, if you're trying to lure children online, we are going to seek you out, chase you to the ends of the earth and put you in jail," the 55-year-old sheriff said.

Child pornography has exploded as Internet use has become commonplace. Experts say the images increasingly seem to feature younger children — infants and toddlers — being molested for the cameras in more violent and egregious ways. Most are abused and photographed by a parent, relative or someone else in a position of trust.

In this era of lean budgets, many law enforcement agencies don't have the time, resources or inclination to aggressively pursue such crimes, experts say.

‘Totally inconsistent’
"Once you get the training and the resources, it's very easy to pick these guys off, but law enforcement already has such problematic crimes competing for police resources," said Keith Durkin, an Ohio Northern University sociology professor and frequent witness for the federal Internet Crimes Against Children task force.

Harold Copus, a former FBI agent who has extensively investigated child pornography cases, took a harder line on law enforcement efforts.

"It is spotty and totally inconsistent," Copus said. "And it comes down to commitment and, quite frankly, laziness. There's no pressure" from the public.

Phillips, the Florida computer crimes chief, said that because of limited resources, the June roundup was aimed at some of the worst offenders — those trading the most images or suspected of abusing children. The 45 people arrested had amassed up to 15,000 images.

Salesman, teacher, pilot
Those arrested included a 50-year-old car salesman, a 62-year-old retired teacher, a 34-year-old pilot, a 43-year-old truck driver and a 22-year-old Sea World employee. Some had long criminal records. Others had none. Three were high school students.

"We have looked at the enemy, and he is us," said Ernie Allen, president and CEO of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Computer analysts at the center investigate about 2,000 reports a week of suspected child pornography that come in from the public and online service providers. Tips to the center rose from 3,160 in 1998 to 101,748 in 2008, mirroring the spread of everyday Internet use, and analysts there have documented millions of images online.
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Child pornography arrests by the 59 federally funded Internet Crimes Against Children task forces topped 3,000 last year for the first time, nearly double the number reported just four years ago.

Authorities ultimately will have to do more than slap handcuffs on people who make and view child pornography, said Andrew Oosterbaan, chief of the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section at the U.S. Department of Justice.

Public health issue
"This is not just a law enforcement issue," he said. "This is not just about people doing something illegal and therefore we have to stop it. It's making people understand why this is more of a societal issue, why this is more of a public health issue."

Judd, who has battled adult bookstores and prostitution with similar zeal, gets angry just talking about the people who trade in the horrific images of child abuse.

He tells the story of one man caught in bed with a teen daughter when deputies barged in with a search warrant. Then there is the graphic online slideshow offering fathers step-by-step instructions for molesting their children.

"It is something we must wake up to," Judd said. "And we are asleep at the wheel as a nation."

My gods...

Is it really that bad? It makes me wonder how widespread and pervasive this is... And when I think about how probably only a small percentage of abusers are dumb enough to take pictures and post them online... it makes me sick. How many children are living with this kind of abuse who will never be rescued because their abuser is careful and smart enough to hide it? How many normal people on the street or in the office are hiding this perversion?


I need to go boil my brain and give my family a big hug :(

Merganser
10-05-2009, 09:07 PM
That's really bizarre. I can understand ephebophilia, I guess, but certainly not a sexual attraction to the prepubescent. It's just plain weird, the legal and moral issues aside.

Varaj
10-05-2009, 09:59 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33181170/



My gods...

Is it really that bad? It makes me wonder how widespread and pervasive this is... And when I think about how probably only a small percentage of abusers are dumb enough to take pictures and post them online... it makes me sick. How many children are living with this kind of abuse who will never be rescued because their abuser is careful and smart enough to hide it? How many normal people on the street or in the office are hiding this perversion?


I need to go boil my brain and give my family a big hug :(

Well yes and no. Like most news stories it doesn't really do a good job of covering the story.
The arrests are on down loaders not producers. Most of the down loaders are not abusers in the sense that they will ever harm a child. Most are not pedophiles in the clinical sense. Child pornography is rife on the internet and anybody that regularly goes to any image chan site such as 4chan or the like is a criminal that "could" be arrested.
The question is how many of the arrests resulted in convictions? How many were trading? How many had an image in the cache and said oh crap?
Basically how many of those arrests are bogus?

The production of child pornography is a serious problem and needs to be stopped. There is no question on that. The trading of it is a serious problem and needs to be stopped, no grey area there either.
There is some grey area in the the consumption from within the law enforcement, academic and medical research. The studies show that the consumption of it not a significant indication of risk of becoming a physical offender.
For law enforcement they feel they would rather spend resources stopping producers and traders.
For academics and medical researchers they are interested in the effects on behavior and the studies are hard to do and they admit they are limited but seem to indicated that there is no causation or even correlation between risk of actual physical offenders.

The FBI and Interpol keeps numbers on the amount of new child pornography produced, my understanding is there is actually very little new material produced each year. Microsoft is involved in a large product in Canada to develop software to determine if images are new or existing ones.

Radu
10-05-2009, 11:45 PM
How many of those high school students were guys who had pictures of their underage girlfriends? That's not all that uncommon anymore--- cell phone cameras are ubiquitous these days.

Dacke
10-06-2009, 02:47 AM
I would take child porn statistics of all kinds with a very big grain of salt. The reason is that child porn makes for a very effective "ram" in breaking down people's resistance to regulations, and once people have accepted censorship in the name of stopping child porn, it's easier to get then to accept censorship for other reasons as well.

The article mentions the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and their online "cyber tipline". These likely refer to the number of tips they are getting, which is not necessarily the same as the number of actual sources of child porn. Even assuming that every tip relates to actual CP, you are likely to get numerous tipsters reporting the same sites. And as far as I can tell, the NCMEC only report how many tips they are getting, not how many of those actually pan out.

Also, the American definition of child pornography is absurdly broad. It does not just include pictures/movies of minors that are naked or engaged in sexual conduct. It also includes completely artificial imagery (e.g. paintings or drawings), which don't do any actual harm to anyone. It also includes images that are "indistinguishable from" minors engaging in sexual conduct. Now, I might find things like lolicon (hentai depicting underage people) distasteful, but I do not think they should be illegal. Hell, if some pedo can get his rocks off by jerking off to a cartoon, that's one pedo that's not getting his rocks off by actually assaulting a child.

Aloysius
10-06-2009, 06:24 AM
Also, the American definition of child pornography is absurdly broad.

Yeah... http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/walmart-sued-by-couple-accused-of-child-exploitation-over-bath-photos.aspx?googleid=271308

As for this question :

it really that bad? It makes me wonder how widespread and pervasive this is...

IIRC, in developped countries, 1/10 girls has been victim of sexual abuse and 1/12 boy too. (sexual abuse does not mean rape : it can be exhibition or other less damaging crimes). Note that some countries are ravaged by pedophilia. This is of course true with countries where pedophila is legal or traditional (countries where girls are married at age 9 or 12), but Greenland has 30% of abused girls and Bangladesh has more tha 40% of abused boys.

Varaj
10-06-2009, 07:23 AM
Yeah... http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/walmart-sued-by-couple-accused-of-child-exploitation-over-bath-photos.aspx?googleid=271308

Most of those type of things end up getting thrown out of court after destroying some poor families life. Sad and disgusting. :mad:
As for lolicon and such. The US keeps trying to pass the laws and they keep getting tossed by the courts often before they can even go into force.
That doesn't stop some DA up for re-election from wanting to look tough on child porn prosecuting some poor smuck.



As for this question :

IIRC, in developped countries, 1/10 girls has been victim of sexual abuse and 1/12 boy too. (sexual abuse does not mean rape : it can be exhibition or other less damaging crimes). Note that some countries are ravaged by pedophilia. This is of course true with countries where pedophila is legal or traditional (countries where girls are married at age 9 or 12), but Greenland has 30% of abused girls and Bangladesh has more tha 40% of abused boys.

I'm not sure that is truly related in the except in the most cursory way.

The Theocrat of Poon-Tang
10-06-2009, 08:26 AM
Hell, if some pedo can get his rocks off by jerking off to a cartoon, that's one pedo that's not getting his rocks off by actually assaulting a child.


That is one of the most naive comments I've read in quite some time.

Varaj
10-06-2009, 08:36 AM
That is one of the most naive comments I've read in quite some time.

Edit: My apologies to Stannis to since my original post doesn't directly address his post. There has been plenty of studies that indicate that consumption of pornography reduces rape but no direct causation.

The below seems to indicate no causation for consumption of child porn and hands on abuse. It be interesting to see if the correlation in the other direction worked as well. Would be a hotly debated research subject for sure.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2716325

Among the subjects of the present study, only 1% were known to have committed a past hands-on sex offense, and only 1% were charged with a subsequent hands-on sex offense in the 6 year follow-up. The consumption of child pornography alone does not seem to represent a risk factor for committing hands-on sex offenses in the present sample – at least not in those subjects without prior convictions for hands-on sex offenses.

DarwinOfMind
10-06-2009, 09:48 AM
Ok this is all third had knowledge so take it with the appropriate amount of salt, one of my friends, has a close friend who was recently brought up on charges for child pornography. He has a 13 year old boy who appearently is a quite the player, and managed to collect nude pictures of all his female classmates.

Since it's a minor, the father technically owns the cell phone and was arrested.

Dacke
10-06-2009, 10:12 AM
That is one of the most naive comments I've read in quite some time.
Is it? I've seen references saying that liberal sex laws (allowing things like porn and prostitution) reduces incidents of rape quite drastically, although I can't find any of these references on short notice.

Varaj
10-06-2009, 10:24 AM
Is it? I've seen references saying that liberal sex laws (allowing things like porn and prostitution) reduces incidents of rape quite drastically, although I can't find any of these references on short notice.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013#
Full PDF Study (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanthonydamato.law.northwestern.ed u%2FAdobefiles%2Fporn.pdf&ei=u1_LSruLC4PkMK2s8NUD&usg=AFQjCNEE5oeLqSmLUUTD-XgxgWShmNPuwg&sig2=AU0eYm3MqT924VdFrSZTMQ)

Another
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html

The concern that countries allowing pornography and liberal anti-obscenity laws would show increased sex crime rates due to modeling or that children or adolescents in particular would be negatively vulnerable to and receptive to such models or that society would be otherwise adversely effected is not supported by evidence. It is certainly clear from the data reviewed, and the new data and analysis presented, that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan, the United States and elsewhere has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims. Even in this area of concern no "clear and present danger" exists for the suppression of SEM. There is no evidence that pornography is intended or likely to produce "imminent lawless action" (see Brandenberg v. Ohio, 1969). It is reasonable that the U.S. Supreme Court has consistently rejected the principal that speech or expression can be punished because it offends some people's sensibilities or beliefs. Compared with "hate speech" or "commercial speech" there seems even less justification for banning "sex speech."21, 22

If you look at the tables in the conclusion as the increase in the availability of pornography there as been a decrease in the numbers of victims of younger age. Correlation does not equal causation but it is cause for further research and pause.

Bagpuss
10-06-2009, 10:49 AM
My gods...

Is it really that bad?

176 arrests in Polk County, a patchwork of orange groves, phosphate mines, modest towns and a half-million people between Tampa and Orlando.

So that works out at about 0.03% of the population. Considering the Department of Justice estimates the number of paedophiles in the population is between 1 and 5 percent I would say that's just scraping the surface.

Northcott
10-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Ok this is all third had knowledge so take it with the appropriate amount of salt, one of my friends, has a close friend who was recently brought up on charges for child pornography. He has a 13 year old boy who appearently is a quite the player, and managed to collect nude pictures of all his female classmates.

Since it's a minor, the father technically owns the cell phone and was arrested.

That's a pretty horrific scenario for the dad. I'm surprised they didn't have to add a homicide charge after he killed his son.