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Finally it comes out and I can catch up... Had them all downloaded but didn't really feel like watching them on the computer.
Got one episode in last night (late start), should make significantly more progress by the weekend. Sure seems like a damn good series.
GreyOne
08-29-2007, 02:10 PM
I saw this yesterday and touched it and thought about buying it. But I did not buy it.
Space Cadet B^3
08-29-2007, 03:42 PM
Ordered mine today! It was tempting to pay for the shipping to get it here by the weekend, but decided against it. I'm excited about the marathon to come!
Maynard G. Krebs
08-29-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm mixed on this one. The wife got into it for a while, but I never did.
I'm interested, but not quite financially motivated enough. If folks keep selling me on it, though, I may get it on my next DVD-purchasing fit.
shabois
08-29-2007, 08:27 PM
Like I said in the past with most serialized shows like 24, Lost and, Heroes I think it is much better on DVD. You can avoid the commercials, breaks during the season, and watch multiple episodes at a time.
If you don't want to purchase it, I imagine it should be avialable to rent at video stores and on Netflix.
Schizm
08-30-2007, 10:42 PM
Had It preordered from Amazon, so it shipped a few days ago, and just arrived today. I'm gonna have to wait till tomorrow night before I get to watch any, due to my wife's school/work schedule.
In terms of serialized drama DVD is definetly the way to go. No commercials, no waiting, It's just one big visual novel that is far more engrossing than just another TV show. given the production values on heroes (and a lot of other recent television series) It's pretty obvious that they're meant to be viewed in this kind of order.
It's worth the thirty seven dollars that amazon is charging for it right now.
Freedom Canadian
08-30-2007, 10:47 PM
In terms of serialized drama DVD is definetly the way to go.
Well, except for the part where the show gets cancelled because the network ratings are low from people all waiting for the DVDs, of course. :D
Schizm
08-30-2007, 10:52 PM
Well, except for the part where the show gets cancelled because the network ratings are low from people all waiting for the DVDs, of course. :D
Meh. It's a vicious cycle, and as long as the networks pay attention to an outdated rating system, it'll keep happening.
Okay I just hit the part where the thing happens with the thing, and I gotta say Holy Shit.
Schizm
08-30-2007, 11:08 PM
Okay I just hit the part where the thing happens with the thing, and I gotta say Holy Shit.
you can spoiler tag here I think.
yes? maybe? YUP!
Space Cadet B^3
08-31-2007, 09:38 AM
F.Y.I. Enter code TVGUIDE5 for a 5% discount at checkout at Amazon
Lucita
08-31-2007, 11:05 AM
It's worth the thirty seven dollars that amazon is charging for it right now.
I like Heroes and all, but I'm still gonna wait until it hits $25 or so.
I like Heroes and all, but I'm still gonna wait until it hits $25 or so.
It's okay, you can use the time to catch up on Firefly and then Battlestar Galactica.
Droid101
08-31-2007, 11:06 AM
Meh. It's a vicious cycle, and as long as the networks pay attention to an outdated rating system, it'll keep happening.
What system are they supposed to use?
What system are they supposed to use?
Not one which is known to be trash, and actively subverted?
Droid101
08-31-2007, 11:33 AM
Not one which is known to be trash, and actively subverted?
Cool.
What's the alternative?
Cool.
What's the alternative?
They want to pay me what they pay Nielsen for something that *doesn't* work, I'll think something up. You want to front me an advance to speculate?
Droid101
08-31-2007, 11:47 AM
They want to pay me what they pay Nielsen for something that *doesn't* work, I'll think something up. You want to front me an advance to speculate?
Well, I thought maybe there was already a system in place. I'm just asking jeez!
So I'm not dining on steak tonight? Dammit, I should've asked Eldorian.
Hatter
09-01-2007, 08:32 PM
Well, I thought maybe there was already a system in place. I'm just asking jeez!
There have been more statistically sound rating systems offered, but they've always failed because the Nielson's have stronger branding amongst advertisers.
shabois
09-02-2007, 10:41 AM
It's okay, you can use the time to catch up on Firefly and then Battlestar Galactica.
I just finished with Firefly and the Serenity movie... I thought they were excellent. The tragic thing about this show is it was just a couple of years before its time. Now that cable networks are doing their own shows, this show would still be on if it started on Sci-fi or USA.
Utrecht
09-10-2007, 11:31 AM
I just finished with Firefly and the Serenity movie... I thought they were excellent. The tragic thing about this show is it was just a couple of years before its time. Now that cable networks are doing their own shows, this show would still be on if it started on Sci-fi or USA.
Methinks that you (and pretty much all of the other Firefly lovers out there) over estimate the general love of the show.
Cult hit - certainly
Profitable enterprise - questionable
Mainstream success - hardly
I know this will cause my geek card to get revoked - but not everyone liked the campy (and illogical) combination of western and space.
Back to Heroes - just watched the unaired pilot - and I am happy to see that they went away from the arab terrorist concept. i think having three villians (Sylar, Primatech Paper and The Engineer) would have been to much - and I nuclear arabs is something best left to 24 - not Heroes.
Schizm
09-10-2007, 05:12 PM
I know this will cause my geek card to get revoked - but not everyone liked the campy (and illogical) combination of western and space.
Your logic seems to be most likely based on at least one flawed premise, but probably more.
Westerns and space are an excellent combination for some really very specific reasons:
1) In this case, both deal with expansionist territories, the fringes of civilization, frontiers. Both also deal with the ramifications of recent Civil Wars.
2) In reality, planets where colonization is possible will not be shiney-happy high tech places. In fact, they'll probably resemble frontier towns right out of a western, given the availability of local building materials, and a mix of oldschool and newschool technology. Horses are damn useful multipurpose tools, and will remain so even in the future, for example.
Anyhow, back to Heroes:
I agree. the Re-cut to remove the arab terrorist angle was an excellent move, and it helped the series be something other than "24 with superheroes." I just can't see Matt Parkman torturing some guy for hours to get information, Jack Baur style.
Utrecht
09-10-2007, 10:22 PM
Your logic seems to be most likely based on at least one flawed premise, but probably more.
Westerns and space are an excellent combination for some really very specific reasons:
1) In this case, both deal with expansionist territories, the fringes of civilization, frontiers. Both also deal with the ramifications of recent Civil Wars.
Oh, I understand - Star Wars is effectively a Western.... But what got me was the style was blatently western. The guns were stylisticall 1860/1870s - the freaking ship looked like a horse - things like that.
2) In reality, planets where colonization is possible will not be shiney-happy high tech places. In fact, they'll probably resemble frontier towns right out of a western, given the availability of local building materials, and a mix of oldschool and newschool technology. Horses are damn useful multipurpose tools, and will remain so even in the future, for example.
They will be frontier towns of that there is no doubt - but they won't LOOK like 1860 frontier towns (i.e. The sign that says BANK - and the folks won't dress like it was some costumers view of 1860s California.
Stylistic license. The premise was sound, and the parallels were so obvious that they had fun with it.
Remove stick from ass and enjoy.
Utrecht
09-11-2007, 10:15 AM
Stylistic license. The premise was sound, and the parallels were so obvious that they had fun with it.
Remove stick from ass and enjoy.
Fair enough - but for me (and others - lets be clear here, if it was THAT DAMN GOOD, it would have survived - instead lingering on as a cult hit for fat beards everywhere....) it distracted from the story...
Schizm
09-11-2007, 10:32 AM
Fair enough - but for me (and others - lets be clear here, if it was THAT DAMN GOOD, it would have survived - instead lingering on as a cult hit for fat beards everywhere....) it distracted from the story...
again, flawed logic. The shit that the network put it through was more than enough to kill any show. Jericho was killed with less.
The DVD sales on amazon are a pretty solid indicator of popularity - many folks (like myself) had a passing knowledge of the series' existance without ever knowing when to try and watch it.
Utrecht
09-11-2007, 10:51 AM
again, flawed logic. The shit that the network put it through was more than enough to kill any show. Jericho was killed with less.
The DVD sales on amazon are a pretty solid indicator of popularity - many folks (like myself) had a passing knowledge of the series' existance without ever knowing when to try and watch it.
hardly - it is a cult hit and nothing more. You can look at it with Rose colored glasses if you like - but simply it was not embraced by mainstream audiences. The amazon sales for Rocky Horror Picture Show are pretty good to - but it is still a cult hit.
Sure, you can blame the network, you can blame the timeslots - all are likely true - but at the end of the day - IT HAD LOW RATINGS (despite being advertised heavily and pushed by critics) , IT WAS CANCELLED, IT IS NOW LOVED IN CULT CIRCLES.
That does not make it a bad show - it just makes it a show that was not embraced.
Harry
09-11-2007, 12:09 PM
Let the fans decide...
Star Wars vs. Firefly:
Snatch
09-11-2007, 12:31 PM
Let the fans decide...
Star Wars vs. Firefly:
You look good with the cinnamon bun hairstyle Harry.
Janos
09-11-2007, 01:03 PM
again, flawed logic. The shit that the network put it through was more than enough to kill any show. Jericho was killed with less.
The DVD sales on amazon are a pretty solid indicator of popularity - many folks (like myself) had a passing knowledge of the series' existance without ever knowing when to try and watch it.
While I LOVE Firefly and Serenity, the movie flopped. Bad.
It is very much a cult flick and hasn't/didn't catch on beyond Fox's killing of the television run. The movie was the second chance for the property to succeed, and it flopped still, despite good relatively good penetration and awareness among more mainstream audiences with the advertising campaign.
I expect the movie house thought they might have bought a potential franchise on the cheap, but just watching the movie tells you that Whedon took the opportunity and ran with it as a swan song for the existing fanbase.
If it found new fans (and it did, in small numbers) then great, but predominantly this was capping the series, not staking ground for a new reborn franchise.
Taken that way, it was a success, though not at all what the movie house probably hoped for.
Space Cadet B^3
09-11-2007, 02:50 PM
Just got my season 1 box set in the mail!!!!
Janos
09-11-2007, 02:51 PM
Taken that way, it was a success, though not at all what the movie house probably hoped for.
It had a budget of $45 million, and only made $35 total (including abroad). Including DVD sales of the movie, it might turn a profit this year, but it wasn't a success in any context except fan satisfaction.
It had a budget of $45 million, and only made $35 total (including abroad). Including DVD sales of the movie, it might turn a profit this year, but it wasn't a success in any context except fan satisfaction.
Call me selfish, but that's the only metric I find I can give a shit about.
Janos
09-11-2007, 03:02 PM
Call me selfish, but that's the only metric I find I can give a shit about.
I love the movie, so I agree. But in regard to the popularity/success of Firefly/Serenity, it remains a huge flop in both forms, and not just due to Fox. Its almost a textbook definition of a cult movie.
Space Cadet B^3
09-11-2007, 03:08 PM
HEROES, SEASON 1, BOX SET. DO YOU SPEAK IT?
I love the movie, so I agree. But in regard to the popularity/success of Firefly/Serenity, it remains a huge flop in both forms, and not just due to Fox. Its almost a textbook definition of a cult movie.
The only time the commercial success enters into it is when someone tells us the series sucks because it didn't succeed, and the movie because it didn't make money.
Otherwise, it's a complete nonfactor. It is what it is, and it's loved for it. I like to think it's more broadly loved than a traditional cult item, but then it's all in how you look at it.
Death Race 2000 is cult. Surf Ninjas Must Die is cult. Firefly is way more mainstream.
Schizm
09-12-2007, 01:36 AM
HEROES, SEASON 1, BOX SET. DO YOU SPEAK IT?
hell yeah I do.
Fuckin' aweomse set so far. I love how they actually did all the subtitles for the whole series in the way that they did the japanese subtitles in the air-play. Very remniciant of text bubbles in the comics, and that's a great thing.
Space Cadet B^3
09-12-2007, 09:45 AM
hell yeah I do.
Fuckin' aweomse set so far. I love how they actually did all the subtitles for the whole series in the way that they did the japanese subtitles in the air-play. Very remniciant of text bubbles in the comics, and that's a great thing.
I kinda wished I'd gotten the boxed set with the little artwork cards in it, but I'm really looking forward to watching these again this weekend!
shabois
09-13-2007, 09:48 PM
Fair enough - but for me (and others - lets be clear here, if it was THAT DAMN GOOD, it would have survived - instead lingering on as a cult hit for fat beards everywhere....) it distracted from the story...
Look, people don't have any taste when it comes to TV in general. Look how many years According to Jim has survived...
My point was that I believe a cable network has far lower expectations for its shows ratings wise. Firefly is a cult show but so is Farscape and Stargate blah, blah blah! And they had multiple seasons on cable.
If Firefly had started on a cable network it would have been given more time to develop a steady audience by cable standards instead of being cancelled after 11 eps.
Utrecht
09-14-2007, 10:05 AM
Look, people don't have any taste when it comes to TV in general. Look how many years According to Jim has survived...
What are you the taste police telling people what is good and not good? Your cultural elitism is entertains me. Are you going to tell me that I am idiot for liking Two and a Half Men?
Look - people like different things - and what you seem to be sticking your head in the sand about is that - maybe, jut maybe - the general audience DID NOT LIKE Firefly as much as you think they should have....
My point was that I believe a cable network has far lower expectations for its shows ratings wise. Firefly is a cult show but so is Farscape and Stargate blah, blah blah! And they had multiple seasons on cable.
If Firefly had started on a cable network it would have been given more time to develop a steady audience by cable standards instead of being cancelled after 11 eps.
OK, that is fair - except for the small detail that most cable outlets (HBO and perhaps SciFi now) could not afford the production cost - and it would take a VERY forward looking Network to embrace that kind of chance.
Look at the take of Serenety - it lost money in the theater - and is likely only now breaking even (2.5 years later) due to DVD sales - a two year return on investment???? yech...
Space Cadet B^3
09-14-2007, 10:59 AM
What are you the taste police telling people what is good and not good? Your cultural elitism is entertains me. Are you going to tell me that I am idiot for liking Two and a Half Men?
Look - people like different things - and what you seem to be sticking your head in the sand about is that - maybe, jut maybe - the general audience DID NOT LIKE Firefly as much as you think they should have....
OK, that is fair - except for the small detail that most cable outlets (HBO and perhaps SciFi now) could not afford the production cost - and it would take a VERY forward looking Network to embrace that kind of chance.
Look at the take of Serenety - it lost money in the theater - and is likely only now breaking even (2.5 years later) due to DVD sales - a two year return on investment???? yech...
Did you know, that Heroes just came out with a season 1 boxed set? :D
EhtoZed
09-14-2007, 11:04 AM
What are you the taste police telling people what is good and not good? Your cultural elitism is entertains me. Are you going to tell me that I am idiot for liking Two and a Half Men?Geez... I'll bet you liked Everybody Loves Raymond too. :tongue:
Utrecht
09-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Did you know, that Heroes just came out with a season 1 boxed set? :D
Yep and have been enjoying it :lol:
Geez... I'll bet you liked Everybody Loves Raymond too. :tongue:
yep, I enjoyed it (oh, for the record - not a big fan of 2.5 Men)
I haven't seen a comedy in the last few years I enjoyed, matbe one episode at best then it gets old.
shabois
09-16-2007, 10:06 PM
What are you the taste police telling people what is good and not good? Your cultural elitism is entertains me. Are you going to tell me that I am idiot for liking Two and a Half Men?
Don't use a show as an example- if you don't really like that show! Sort makes the point for me.
Look - people like different things - and what you seem to be sticking your head in the sand about is that - maybe, jut maybe - the general audience DID NOT LIKE Firefly as much as you think they should have....
I am not sticking my head in the sand about anything- you just don't get it. I know a Sci-fi Western is a hard sell on network TV. I did not watch it during the first run and I am not surprised most of America passed as well. It was only on DVD that did I realize what I missed. I never thought the show was going to be a huge hit. MY POINT was only that it is a shame the show was few years ahead of its time when there is now much more support for cult shows on cable. I don't think the "general audience" should have liked Firefly more or less- they never got a chance since the show got cancelled after 11 eps.
OK, that is fair - except for the small detail that most cable outlets (HBO and perhaps SciFi now) could not afford the production cost - and it would take a VERY forward looking Network to embrace that kind of chance.
Look if Sci- Fi can do nine seasons of SG1 and a spin off, trust me there is enough money to Firefly.
Look at the take of Serenety - it lost money in the theater - and is likely only now breaking even (2.5 years later) due to DVD sales - a two year return on investment???? yech...
Of course it bombed in the theater! People are not going to see a movie based on a Sci fi show they never watched! The last few Star Trek movies under performed at the box office and they have a HUGE fan base. It is not shocking that people were not going to pay 10.00 on Serenity. That does not mean it is a bad show. Next your going to tell us Battlestar sucks too- because it is on the Sci-fi channel, which somehow is able to pay the budget for the production of a show with low ratings compared to network TV...
Utrecht
09-18-2007, 03:32 PM
Don't use a show as an example- if you don't really like that show! Sort makes the point for me.
Sorry was away for a couple of days - actually I don't think it makes the point you are think it is. You pretty much said people are idiots for likeing Life According to Jim - to which I responded - what if I like 2.5 Men? does that make me an idiot too?
Bottom line is people like different things - and find different things to be "quality" What irked me about your post is the cultural elitism inherent in it - and I called you on it.
I am not sticking my head in the sand about anything- you just don't get it. I know a Sci-fi Western is a hard sell on network TV. I did not watch it during the first run and I am not surprised most of America passed as well. It was only on DVD that did I realize what I missed. I never thought the show was going to be a huge hit. MY POINT was only that it is a shame the show was few years ahead of its time when there is now much more support for cult shows on cable. I don't think the "general audience" should have liked Firefly more or less- they never got a chance since the show got cancelled after 11 eps.
Ok, did not get that, that was the point you were making - so question for you - what obligation do you think Networks are on to ensure that "good" shows get embraced?
I doubt that programming execs put show on the air with the intention of them failing (although I would agree, they can pick which ones will fail). I am not in the industry - so could not comment intelligently on this - other than to say, it does not make sense to me.
Look if Sci- Fi can do nine seasons of SG1 and a spin off, trust me there is enough money to Firefly.
I do not know if you can say that or not - I suspect that you are correct that they *could* afford it - but I suspect that SG1 is a cheaper option - with a potentially higher audience.
Of course it bombed in the theater! People are not going to see a movie based on a Sci fi show they never watched! The last few Star Trek movies under performed at the box office and they have a HUGE fan base. It is not shocking that people were not going to pay 10.00 on Serenity. That does not mean it is a bad show.
nope - I don't think it is a bad show - but I also don't think it is the queens's tit that many folks think it is. Personally, I find it to be very average.
Next your going to tell us Battlestar sucks too- because it is on the Sci-fi channel, which somehow is able to pay the budget for the production of a show with low ratings compared to network TV...
hardly - that would be pretty much against my entire argument. (and I think that it is a damn fine show). However, BSG IS expensive - and it is one of the reasons that it is being limted in the number of seasons - SciFi (and by extension NBC just cant afford it)
Honestly, I think that we are pretty close in our thoughts - with a couple of differences
1) Your implied elitism that some how Life According to Jim is a crap show (it may be for you - but it has to have something going for it
2) Our opinion of Firefly - which you think is pretty damn good and I think is meh.....
1) Your implied elitism that some how Life According to Jim is a crap show (it may be for you - but it has to have something going for it
2) Our opinion of Firefly - which you think is pretty damn good and I think is meh.....
You left out:
3) Your consumerist elitism in that if something didn't make money it wasn't good.
Which, whether or not you actually meant it, has been the horse you've been flogging all thread long.
Utrecht
09-18-2007, 03:55 PM
You left out:
3) Your consumerist elitism in that if something didn't make money it wasn't good.
Which, whether or not you actually meant it, has been the horse you've been flogging all thread long.
Ok, that is fair, and can't honestly argue the jab :) - but since networks are businesses - they are motivated by the bottom line.
Harry
09-24-2007, 11:36 AM
I know I'm going to forget the new show is on tonight, I'm not used to having Monday evenings off. Folks, can ya'll bump this periodically today?
ktnxby
I know I'm going to forget the new show is on tonight, I'm not used to having Monday evenings off. Folks, can ya'll bump this periodically today?
ktnxby
Hey Harry, Heroes is on tonight!
Andreas
09-24-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeha!
I missed the last show last year and all the times it's been on since, hope that don't leave me to much out of the loop for tonight.
Space Cadet B^3
09-24-2007, 05:04 PM
Heroes tonigth! GLEE!
I missed the last show last year and all the times it's been on since, hope that don't leave me to much out of the loop for tonight.
You <===========================> Loop
Harry
09-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Fuckfuckfuck....
Wait, it's not on yet! Oh, my, god! I've never actually seen it on teevee!
Blue Eyed Frau
09-25-2007, 12:58 AM
Oh I seen the show tonight and it was pretty darn good, :)
Harry
09-25-2007, 01:39 AM
I honestly thought I'd missed it there for a minute or so. I'm not used to watching "live" tv, and had it in my head that the show had come on at 7 CST. Rather strange, watching it. I haven't seen an entire episode of anything on the television since I was in rehab.
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