I hate Batman

[Maddman]

Fuck Batman. The quickest way to spot a fucking fatbeard is to look for a batman t-shirt. They idolize Batman because they identify with him so well. He is a social outcast who lives in a cave, has an old man wash his clothes and cook his meals, and lives a secret life of adventure fighting crime. They are social outcasts who live in their parents basement, has Mom wash their clothes and cook their meals, and lives a secret life of adventure playing World of Warcraft. He's a rich spoiled psycho who has a fancy car and gadgets, but he doesn't actually have any superpowers now does he.

And since the other thread inspired me, lets look at Batman compared to Superman.

Lairs
Batman - lives in musty cave
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude
Winner: Superman

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, reclusive billionaire
Superman - Clark Kent, friendly reporter raised in a small town. I know who I'd rather talk to.
Winner: Superman.

Romance
Superman - Lois Lane, hottie reporter
Batman - Robin. Sicko.
Winner: Superman

Special powers
Superman: Heat vision, flight, nearly invulnerable, x-ray vision
Batman: Bat-a-rangs. And a grappling hook. That's as close to superpowers as he gets.
Winner: Superman

Costume
Superman: Red and blue, majestic cape, large prominent "S" logo
Batman: Black rubber with pointy bat ears and occasionally nipples
Winner: Superman

I could go on, but my essential point that Superman is much better than Batman should be obvious to anyone of taste. I'm sure batman fanbois are going to dust the cheeto goo off their fingers long enough to call me a felch-felching felch felcher or something but they really don't intimidate me.

[Freedom Canadian]

Don't hate the bat-player. Hate the bat-game !

[Keeper of Secrets]

Fuck Batman. The quickest way to spot a fucking fatbeard is to look for a batman t-shirt. They idolize Batman because they identify with him so well. He is a social outcast who lives in a cave, has an old man wash his clothes and cook his meals, and lives a secret life of adventure fighting crime. They are social outcasts who live in their parents basement, has Mom wash their clothes and cook their meals, and lives a secret life of adventure playing World of Warcraft. He's a rich spoiled psycho who has a fancy car and gadgets, but he doesn't actually have any superpowers now does he.

And since the other thread inspired me, lets look at Batman compared to Superman.

Lairs
Batman - lives in musty cave
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude
Winner: Superman

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, reclusive billionaire
Superman - Clark Kent, friendly reporter raised in a small town. I know who I'd rather talk to.
Winner: Superman.

Romance
Superman - Lois Lane, hottie reporter
Batman - Robin. Sicko.
Winner: Superman

Special powers
Superman: Heat vision, flight, nearly invulnerable, x-ray vision
Batman: Bat-a-rangs. And a grappling hook. That's as close to superpowers as he gets.
Winner: Superman

Costume
Superman: Red and blue, majestic cape, large prominent "S" logo
Batman: Black rubber with pointy bat ears and occasionally nipples
Winner: Superman

I could go on, but my essential point that Superman is much better than Batman should be obvious to anyone of taste. I'm sure batman fanbois are going to dust the cheeto goo off their fingers long enough to call me a felch-felching felch felcher or something but they really don't intimidate me.

You're crossin' a line, Maddman . . . Crossin a line . . .

I'm gonna have to get my cinderblocks out . . .

[Dr. Paragon]

Don't hate the bat-player. Hate the bat-game !

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[Northcott]

Don't hate the bat-player. Hate the bat-game !

Same bat-time on the same bat-channel?

Bat-tastic!

[TiQuinn]

Same bat-time on the same bat-channel?

Bat-tastic!

Ya know, looking back at the 60's tv show, if there's one thing it got right it was the Riddler (and no, Keeper of Secrets is not paying me to say this either). Frank Gorshin was born to play that role.

[Enk]

You completely forgot the bat-shark-repellent.

[Droid101]

Who always got the girl in the Batman-Superman shows back in the day?

'Nuff said.

[Martin]

You know, I really hate the homoerotic subtext that your average schlub (and Maddman) drags out in regards to Batman and Robin.

Ur hurr hurr. That there Batman, he sure did like the little boys, din't he? Hyuk hyuk hyuk.

Please. If you're going to make fun of Batman, at least do it on something that has meaning to the character. Like the fact that when you boil the character down to his very basic form, he's a demented form of Richie Rich who really just needs a hug.

[TiQuinn]

Lairs
Batman - lives in musty cave
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude
Winner: Superman


I also think that this doesn't tell the whole story. Allow me to edit:

Lairs
Batman - lives in a huge manor estate on top of a musty old cave that he uses as his secret lair
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude in the middle of the friggin Arctic.
Winner: ???

[The Winslow]

Batman is comedy gold. He can make anything funny. (http://shortpacked.com/d/20050311.html)

I'm not sure if that count as a winner (http://shortpacked.com/d/20050309.html), though.

[EhtoZed]

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, reclusive billionaire
Superman - Clark Kent, friendly reporter raised in a small town. I know who I'd rather talk to.
Winner: Superman.More like;

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, billionaire playboy who spends his free time counting his money, driving fast cars, and sleeping with a different supermodel every night.
Superman - Clark Kent, clumsy hick reporter raised in a small town in the sticks were the only girls are your cousin in some degree. Sleeps alone in a small one bedroom appartment.
Winner: Obviously Batman.

[Dacke]

You know, I really hate the homoerotic subtext that your average schlub (and Maddman) drags out in regards to Batman and Robin.
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[Northcott]

Ya know, looking back at the 60's tv show, if there's one thing it got right it was the Riddler (and no, Keeper of Secrets is not paying me to say this either). Frank Gorshin was born to play that role.

Truth. And let's not forget Julie Newmar as Catwoman. Meeee-ow!

I also think that this doesn't tell the whole story. Allow me to edit:

Lairs
Batman - lives in a huge manor estate on top of a musty old cave that he uses as his secret lair
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude in the middle of the friggin Arctic.
Winner: ???


Tch. You fail as an editor:
Batman -- lives in a musty old cave, but pretends to live in a beautiful manor estate because he's too bugfuck nuts to enjoy what he has and can't hold a relationship together because of it.

Superman -- Has a super-high-tech Fortress of Solitude in the middle of the arctic, complete with robot servants and super-dog (fetch, boy!)... but spends his time living in an upscale condo with his beautiful wife enjoying a happy marriage.


Please. If you're going to make fun of Batman, at least do it on something that has meaning to the character. Like the fact that when you boil the character down to his very basic form, he's a demented form of Richie Rich who really just needs a hug.

Burn!


More like;

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, billionaire playboy who spends his free time counting his money, driving fast cars, and sleeping with a different supermodel every night.
Superman - Clark Kent, clumsy hick reporter raised in a small town in the sticks were the only girls are your cousin in some degree. Sleeps alone in a small one bedroom appartment.
Winner: Obviously Batman.

Oooh! Let me play too! :D

Secret Identities
Batman -- regards the Bruce Wayne identity as a mask, the nutjob thinks the cape is his real personality. He has other people count his money, and has nearly lost his fortune several times because of this. He pretends to live a wild playboy lifestyle, but sips ginger ale instead of champagne, and sends women home before anything can happen. Except for the daughter of his deadliest enemy, who he knocks up and then leaves his son to be raised by a crazed cult of assassins.

He does drive a fast car, though!

Superman -- Clark Kent, former high school football star and pulitzer-nominated (winner?) reporter, along with being a successful author. Had a hot redhead growing up, and ended up marrying a highly-intelligent hot brunette, whom he lives with in an upscale downtown condominium apartment. And apparently in the DCU's future, he lands Wonder Woman too.

:D


Who always got the girl in the Batman-Superman shows back in the day?

'Nuff said.

Neither of them. Poor bastards. Supes was the first to settle down, though.

[Varaj]

Superman has a much better life and mental health. Batman is crazy and angsty and smells of guano. Of course that is the same reason Batman is way, way cooler than Superman.

[Northcott]

Superman has a much better life and mental health. Batman is crazy and angsty and smells of guano. Of course that is the same reason Batman is way, way cooler than Superman.

HOW DARE YOU BRING THE TRUTH INTO THIS?!? :mad:

[TiQuinn]

Superman -- Has a super-high-tech Fortress of Solitude in the middle of the arctic, complete with robot servants and super-dog (fetch, boy!)... but spends his time living in an upscale condo with his beautiful wife enjoying a happy marriage.



You lose for your mention of super pets.

Next you'll be saying Pink and Rainbow Kryptonite is teh kool.

[EhtoZed]

Secret Identities
Batman -- regards the Bruce Wayne identity as a mask, the nutjob thinks the cape is his real personality. He has other people count his money, and has nearly lost his fortune several times because of this. He pretends to live a wild playboy lifestyle, but sips ginger ale instead of champagne, and sends women home before anything can happen. Except for the daughter of his deadliest enemy, who he knocks up and then leaves his son to be raised by a crazed cult of assassins.

He does drive a fast car, though!

Superman -- Clark Kent, former high school football star and pulitzer-nominated (winner?) reporter, along with being a successful author. Had a hot redhead growing up, and ended up marrying a highly-intelligent hot brunette, whom he lives with in an upscale downtown condominium apartment. And apparently in the DCU's future, he lands Wonder Woman too.Sorry, all I have to go on are the basics of Superman/Batman mythology. If you start taking obscure alternate history comics into things then I'm sure you can prove anything. Superman, married!? What fan fiction did you pull that from?

[TiQuinn]

Sorry, all I have to go on are the basics of Superman/Batman mythology. If you start taking obscure alternate history comics into things then I'm sure you can prove anything. Superman, married!? What fan fiction did you pull that from?

Apparently, that's something new.

(And according to Northcott, completely undoes 70 years of suckitude). :D

[Martin]

You lose for your mention of super pets.

Ace, the Bat Hound.

[Martin]

Sorry, all I have to go on are the basics of Superman/Batman mythology. If you start taking obscure alternate history comics into things then I'm sure you can prove anything. Superman, married!? What fan fiction did you pull that from?

It's one of those wacky things that's been around for more than a decade.

[TiQuinn]

Ace, the Bat Hound.


Yes, but when's the last time you saw him. Or Bat Mite.

At least he didn't have a Bat Cat. Or a Bat Monkey. or a Bat Horse.

[Northcott]

You lose for your mention of super pets.

Next you'll be saying Pink and Rainbow Kryptonite is teh kool.

Plaid Kryptonite that turns him into an angry Scotsman would still be cooler than convenient cans of "Bat shark repellent" in the utility belt. :D

Sorry, all I have to go on are the basics of Superman/Batman mythology. If you start taking obscure alternate history comics into things then I'm sure you can prove anything. Superman, married!? What fan fiction did you pull that from?

Mainstream continuity, for well over a decade now. Ten years ain't that new, and last I checked mainstream continuity isn't terribly obscure. Convoluted, yes, but not obscure. ;)

Now if we go with the Golden Age Superman, he was married off decades before that. They were doing "Mr. and Mrs. Superman" stories back when I was a kid... just a couple years before they introduced Power Girl as Earth II's Supergirl.

[EhtoZed]

Plaid Kryptonite that turns him into an angry Scotsman would still be cooler than convenient cans of "Bat shark repellent" in the utility belt. :D



Mainstream continuity, for well over a decade now. Ten years ain't that new, and last I checked mainstream continuity isn't terribly obscure. Convoluted, yes, but not obscure. ;)

Now if we go with the Golden Age Superman, he was married off decades before that. They were doing "Mr. and Mrs. Superman" stories back when I was a kid... just a couple years before they introduced Power Girl as Earth II's Supergirl.
How did they address the supersperm issue?

Which, when looked at realistically (;)), is a good argument that supes isn't getting any action from teh ladies.

[TiQuinn]

Plaid Kryptonite that turns him into an angry Scotsman would still be cooler than convenient cans of "Bat shark repellent" in the utility belt. :D

How about some Kryptonite with extra tar = EVIL SUPERMAN!!11LOL

[Northcott]

How about some Kryptonite with extra tar = EVIL SUPERMAN!!11LOL

Smoking is never cool, even if your Kryptonite has reduced tar and a filter! :mad:

How did they address the supersperm issue?

Which, when looked at realistically (;)), is a good argument that supes isn't getting any action from teh ladies.

That people actually think of that is mildly disturbing. ;) It's a non-issue in the same way that other unconscious/uncontrolled actions aren't: his powers require active focus of will to function. Otherwise a bean burrito could lead to an unexpected hurricane season in Metropolis. :eek:

Damn you for making me think of that.

His physical strength is actually manifested through a form of tactile telekinesis. He's not going to blink super-hard unless he focuses on doing so. The real problem would be in the actual act of sex, where physical motion would become tricky.

Edit: And damn you for making me think that, too. I feel all geeky now. I need to go shower.

[EhtoZed]

Smoking is never cool, even if your Kryptonite has reduced tar and a filter! :mad:



That people actually think of that is mildly disturbing. ;) It's a non-issue in the same way that other unconscious/uncontrolled actions aren't: his powers require active focus of will to function. Otherwise a bean burrito could lead to an unexpected hurricane season in Metropolis. :eek:

Damn you for making me think of that.

His physical strength is actually manifested through a form of tactile telekinesis. He's not going to blink super-hard unless he focuses on doing so. The real problem would be in the actual act of sex, where physical motion would become tricky.

Edit: And damn you for making me think that, too. I feel all geeky now. I need to go shower.
I think Batman wins because he doesn't bring up these issues. He might be gay, not that there's anything wrong with that, doesn't compare.

[doc]

Not a fan of either one but about all of the DC heros need a good session with a shirnk

[Northcott]

I think Batman wins because he doesn't bring up these issues. He might be gay, not that there's anything wrong with that, doesn't compare.

Batman loses because you have to dredge these things up to stand a ghost of a chance.

Hey, here's another fun fact for you!

Superman was created by two down-and-out Jewish kids living in a bad neighbourhood, and was designed to be a sort of demi-god/guardian angel who looked after the common man. The character has remained steady throughout the years, and carried the company when the other books failed.

Batman was "created" by Bob Kane... but really most of the work was done by Bill Finger, who Kane refused to credit for years. He was one of the many copy-cats to follow in Superman's footprints, and was designed from the ground up as a pure marketing ploy to appeal to the basic, simple sensibilities of kids that would gawp, point, and note how 'kewl' he was. When his sales dipped, they added Robin as a marketing decision, so that children would have a stronger connection to the lead character through their proxy -- Batman's 'son'.

When the comic failed again in the 60's, on the verge of cancellation, it was saved by Carmine Infantino's creation of Batgirl.


Superman = idealistic concept. Batman = marketing ploy to suck in the rubes. :D

[doc]

Superman = The uberman of the "common man",
Batman = Twisted avenger for the "common man"

Neither of these asshole are common in thier "secret Idenities", one a member of the media and I hate the media, and the other is a wastle playboy.

[Maddman]

I also think that this doesn't tell the whole story. Allow me to edit:

Lairs
Batman - lives in a huge manor estate on top of a musty old cave that he uses as his secret lair
Superman - lives in alien tech Fortress of Solitude in the middle of the friggin Arctic.
Winner: ???

Fatbeard Spotted

More like;

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, billionaire playboy who spends his free time counting his money, driving fast cars, and sleeping with a different supermodel every night.
Superman - Clark Kent, clumsy hick reporter raised in a small town in the sticks were the only girls are your cousin in some degree. Sleeps alone in a small one bedroom appartment.
Winner: Obviously Batman.

Fatbeard Spotted

[Northcott]

Superman = The uberman of the "common man",
Batman = Twisted avenger for the "common man"

Neither of these asshole are common in thier "secret Idenities", one a member of the media and I hate the media, and the other is a wastle playboy.


Bullshit!

You love the media if it's an attractive woman. :D

[EhtoZed]

Fatbeard Spotted



Fatbeard Spotted
That's a pretty good argument, but you still haven't convinced me.

[Droid101]

Fatbeard Spotted



Fatbeard Spotted

Pot, kettle. Be introduced!

[TiQuinn]

Fatbeard Spotted

Says the Unisystem Evangelist who just spent a weekend at Gencon. :p

[Maddman]

Says the Unisystem Evangelist who just spent a weekend at Gencon. :p

Unisystem is an anti-fatbeard game. Case in point: No Batman quality.

And it doesn't count as fatbeardy if you spend most of GenCon drunk.

[Droid101]

Unisystem is an anti-fatbeard game. Case in point: No Batman quality.

And it doesn't count as fatbeardy if you spend most of GenCon drunk.

But it does count as fatbeardy if you are fat, hate jocks, and love Buffy the Vampire Slayer. ;)

Plus, how do you think Asperger Fatbeards are able to communicate with females? Alcohol!

[Janos]

And it doesn't count as fatbeardy if you spend most of GenCon drunk.

Yes, actually it does. You bought and paid for the tickets sober.

[The Winslow]

You're sure "Drunkbeard" is more prestigious, anyway?

[Ancalagon]

Edit: And damn you for making me think that, too. I feel all geeky now. I need to go shower.

Comics are making you shower? I thought they stopped people from showering! :D

[TiQuinn]

Unisystem is an anti-fatbeard game. Case in point: No Batman quality.

And it doesn't count as fatbeardy if you spend most of GenCon drunk.


Gencon attendence, drunk or not, ALWAYS results in heightened fatbeardness. So does being the evangelist for any RPG.

[The Winslow]

Comics are making you shower? I thought they stopped people from showering! :D

They make their artists shower. The readers don't. Which is why the artists do, after a con. When they don't, they fall ill.

[Northcott]

They make their artists shower. The readers don't. Which is why the artists do, after a con. When they don't, they fall ill.

He's correct. Union rules.

I was supposed to do a con this weekend, but had to back out because of a combination of work and family issues. So in solidarity with my brothers, who spent the weekend swimming in fan funk, I now go to shower again.

[Hastur T. Fannon]

Not a fan of either one but about all of the DC heros need a good session with a shirnk

Damn you for making me think about this. Ok, of the Justice League and alternates, the following people are surprisingly well-balanced characters given what's been done to them:

Animal Man (the post boy for well-adjusted superheroes)
Red Tornado
Flash (Wally West, Jay Garrick)
Marshmallowhunter (sorry, but I can't spell J'onn J'onzz and I can't think of the phrase "Martin Manhunter" without being reminded of a certain issue of Animal Man)
Steel (John Irons, Natasha Irons)
Green Arrow and Black Canary (Finally. Please let them be happy)
Black Lightning
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Red Arrow
Oracle

[Maddman]

Yes, actually it does. You bought and paid for the tickets sober.

Oh yeah, well shows what you know I got in for free because I ran games for the con...wait that isn't helping my argument. Fuck.

But it does count as fatbeardy if you are fat, hate jocks, and love Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Yes, but being fat, hating jocks, and loving Buffy are all FBF (Fat Beard Factor) of 1 each. Being a batman fan has an FBF of 32, so the two are not even in the same ballpark.

Unfortunately I now have a FBF of 8, three each for the above and five for coming up with a way to quantify social akwardness mathematically. Hope you're happy, fucker.

[Droid101]

Unfortunately I now have a FBF of 8, three each for the above and five for coming up with a way to quantify social akwardness mathematically. Hope you're happy, fucker.

Not realy, since you've quantified me as a 32! Jerk!

[The Winslow]

Yes, but being fat, hating jocks, and loving Buffy are all FBF (Fat Beard Factor) of 1 each. Being a batman fan has an FBF of 32, so the two are not even in the same ballpark.

I'd say "Fat" and "Bearded" should count for much more than that. It's Fat Beard Factor, not Fan of Batman Factor. :p

So, you get a 71: 64 for being fat, 1 for hating jocks, 1 for loving Buffy, and 5 for creating the FBF stuff.

[Droid101]

I'd say "Fat" and "Bearded" should count for much more than that. It's Fat Beard Factor, not Fan of Batman Factor. :p

So, you get a 71: 64 for being fat, 1 for hating jocks, 1 for loving Buffy, and 5 for creating the FBF stuff.

Oh dear, arguing the intricacies of a mathematical fatbeard formula, that's worth like 160 right there.

[Bagpuss]

Can't we just hate DC Comic heroes and all be happy?

[Maddman]

I'd say "Fat" and "Bearded" should count for much more than that. It's Fat Beard Factor, not Fan of Batman Factor. :p

So, you get a 71: 64 for being fat, 1 for hating jocks, 1 for loving Buffy, and 5 for creating the FBF stuff.

Hey now I may have my proper gamer physique but certainly not 64 points worth! I'd estimate 30, tops. And no beard. And thank you *very* much for costing me another three points for arguing about the FBF. That puts me at 40. :mad:

Can't we just hate DC Comic heroes and all be happy?

No. Having strong opinions about comic books and happiness are mutually exclusive.

[Northcott]

Damn you for making me think about this. Ok, of the Justice League and alternates, the following people are surprisingly well-balanced characters given what's been done to them:

Animal Man (the post boy for well-adjusted superheroes)
Red Tornado
Flash (Wally West, Jay Garrick)
Marshmallowhunter (sorry, but I can't spell J'onn J'onzz and I can't think of the phrase "Martin Manhunter" without being reminded of a certain issue of Animal Man)
Steel (John Irons, Natasha Irons)
Green Arrow and Black Canary (Finally. Please let them be happy)
Black Lightning
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Red Arrow
Oracle

We're all fucked. :D


Hal's iffy -- he did go mad and try to remake reality after blowing up the Green Lantern corps, remember? Of course, he's much better now.

If "I got better" counts, we could throw Barry Allen onto the list. He was a remarkably down-to-earth guy for a long, long time -- only becoming unhinged temporarily after his wife's murder. Understandably.

Superman's about as down-to-earth and sane as it gets. Wonder Woman, too -- though, I don't know, in some writers' hands she's a psycho feminazi. I think this speaks volumes about the writers in question. George Perez managed to make her a veritable saint and still kept the character interesting. Brilliant.

Nightwing/Dick Grayson. The guy was raised by our favourite psycho, Batman, and he grew up to have normal relationships with women, hold down jobs, have friends, and manage to be an overall well-adjusted individual -- though with a freaky superhero-oriented lifestyle. That's a feat and a half.

[shabois]

Nightwing rocks by the way! :)

Also Batman is way better than that pseudo-lesbian Batwoman that DC forced on us. Not that I have much place to wade in on homosexual representation on the media. But I think the way DC forces a bunch of lipstick lesbians on fanboys to boost sales is borderline criminal and is not a responsible way to expose young people to homosexuals

[Northcott]

Nightwing rocks by the way! :)

Also Batman is way better than that pseudo-lesbian Batwoman that DC forced on us. Not that I have much place to wade in on homosexual representation on the media. But I think the way DC forces a bunch of lipstick lesbians on fanboys to boost sales is borderline criminal and is not a responsible way to expose young people to homosexuals

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

[shabois]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

YOU FIRST!:D

[bunny]

:)

[BOZ]

how romantic!

[Maynard G. Krebs]

My PARENTS are DEAD!! (http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/)

[Northcott]

Krebs, that's a beautiful link, man. I laughed my ass off.


On another note... that's about the most disgusting tattoo I've ever seen. I despise the running molestation/pedophilia gag that people label the character with, and depictions of it turn my stomach and fill me with rage.

[The Winslow]

If the guy got a tattoo of it, he probably doesn't think it's a gag. Instead, he must think it's a beautiful, exciting romance.

I bet your stomach won't feel any better...

[Space Cadet B^3]

Batman can't be gay, he's got no fashion sense! ;)

[Northcott]

I bet your stomach won't feel any better...

Truth. :mad:

[Hastur T. Fannon]

Also Batman is way better than that pseudo-lesbian Batwoman that DC forced on us. Not that I have much place to wade in on homosexual representation on the media. But I think the way DC forces a bunch of lipstick lesbians on fanboys to boost sales is borderline criminal and is not a responsible way to expose young people to homosexuals

I think the character looked good on paper. But as soon as she turned up (wearing a frilly bra in bed in her first ever panel, I lost interest

Compare and contrast with Apollo/Midnighter

I despise the running molestation/pedophilia gag that people label the character with, and depictions of it turn my stomach and fill me with rage.

Frank Miller is not helping. That's a general comment btw. :D, but it also applies in this situation (and in the Wonder Woman == feminazi thing as well)

[Northcott]

Frank Miller is not helping. That's a general comment btw. :D, but it also applies in this situation (and in the Wonder Woman == feminazi thing as well)

Miller's a bright guy and has some fantastic insights into the industry -- but I think he's started to believe his own press, and that's killed him as a storyteller. It's more mental masturbation than storytelling these days.

[Hastur T. Fannon]

Miller's a bright guy and has some fantastic insights into the industry -- but I think he's started to believe his own press, and that's killed him as a storyteller.

I was going to disagree with this, citing Martha Washington as showing that he's always been a Randist wanker - then I went upstairs and looked at the wodge of shelf space I have devoted to him :confused:

[GreyOne]

More like;

Secret Identities
Batman - Bruce Wayne, billionaire playboy who spends his free time counting his money, driving fast cars, and sleeping with a different supermodel every night.
Superman - Clark Kent, clumsy hick reporter raised in a small town in the sticks were the only girls are your cousin in some degree. Sleeps alone in a small one bedroom appartment.
Winner: Obviously Batman.

You had me at supermodel.

[shabois]

Miller's a bright guy and has some fantastic insights into the industry -- but I think he's started to believe his own press, and that's killed him as a storyteller. It's more mental masturbation than storytelling these days.

I agree, I think Miller is focusing on movies and has lost serious perspective when it comes to writing Batman. Allstar is a joke if it were not for Lee's art.

[Andreas]

Batman can't be gay, he's got no fashion sense! ;)

Dude, black is beautiful...

[FeatsofClay]

Batman rocks.

[Ancalagon]

I think the character looked good on paper. But as soon as she turned up (wearing a frilly bra in bed in her first ever panel, I lost interest


I had batgirl and batwoman confused for a moment, and I just couldn't make sense of the comment.

[The Winslow]

I had batgirl and batwoman confused for a moment, and I just couldn't make sense of the comment.

Superheroes really need a better naming system than adjective-or-noun+man-or-boy-or-woman-or-girl.

By the way, my favorite superhero is Beeman (http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=16&issue=9).

[Ancalagon]

Superheroes really need a better naming system than adjective-or-noun+man-or-boy-or-woman-or-girl.

By the way, my favorite superhero is Beeman (http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=16&issue=9).

that comic is just awesome

[doc]

I'ld like the stats on the Bear robot with the detachable head :)

[Northcott]

Superheroes really need a better naming system than adjective-or-noun+man-or-boy-or-woman-or-girl.

That pretty much happened in the 1970's. Now when you see a character with that old naming system, you can be pretty sure that they're either a Golden to Silver Age character, or they're a revival of such a character. There are likely exceptions I'm not thinking of at the moment, but that's long been the case.

[Ancalagon]

I'ld like the stats on the Bear robot with the detachable head :)

I just read the whole archives. I think this is one of the funniest thing I've ever read... there are moments of brilliance in there.

[Edena_of_Neith]

Superman: Never fought the Minions of Cthulu.
Batman: Never fought the Minions of Cthulu.
Edena: Fought the Minions of Cthulu and won.

The winner is: Edena

Besides, the Comic Book Code is so ludricious that it is beyond insulting ... it is just simply irrelevant and boring.

[Glass]

Superman: Never fought the Minions of Cthulu.
Batman: Never fought the Minions of Cthulu.
Edena: Fought the Minions of Cthulu and won.

The winner is: Edena

Besides, the Comic Book Code is so ludricious that it is beyond insulting ... it is just simply irrelevant and boring.
True, the Comic Code never would've allowed pirate gang-rape, and so it's woefully inadequate for telling a good story. ;)

[Pigs in Space]

True, the Comic Code never would've allowed pirate gang-rape, and so it's woefully inadequate for telling a good story. ;)

And therein lies the problem with all mainstream media today.

[doc]

More Pirate gang rape !! Less reality shows

[Edena_of_Neith]

You'all have so totally ruined pirate movies for me, you know that?
If you see someone running screaming from the theater running Pirates of the Caribbean, that'll be me. :)

And yes, it's reached Google itself. Do a Google search: Edena_of_Neith pirates. LOL.

[Glass]

Like "Lexington Steele and his Merry Pirate Band" didn't ruin pirate movies for you long before we came along, man.

[Edena_of_Neith]

You could have suffered a worse fate ...

My older brothers hogged the TV, and watched either Batman or Lost in Space, with the volume turned up high. Each day, every day, for many long years.