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Cyragnome
08-22-2007, 08:50 PM
Link to full article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html). Interesting contrast to the spin coming out of the White House and their allies right now.

The War as We Saw It

By BUDDHIKA JAYAMAHA, WESLEY D. SMITH, JEREMY ROEBUCK, OMAR MORA, EDWARD SANDMEIER, YANCE T. GRAY and JEREMY A. MURPHY
Published: August 19, 2007

Excerpt:
VIEWED from Iraq at the tail end of a 15-month deployment, the political debate in Washington is indeed surreal. Counterinsurgency is, by definition, a competition between insurgents and counterinsurgents for the control and support of a population. To believe that Americans, with an occupying force that long ago outlived its reluctant welcome, can win over a recalcitrant local population and win this counterinsurgency is far-fetched. As responsible infantrymen and noncommissioned officers with the 82nd Airborne Division soon heading back home, we are skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day. (Obviously, these are our personal views and should not be seen as official within our chain of command.)

The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. Yes, we are militarily superior, but our successes are offset by failures elsewhere. What soldiers call the “battle space” remains the same, with changes only at the margins. It is crowded with actors who do not fit neatly into boxes: Sunni extremists, Al Qaeda terrorists, Shiite militiamen, criminals and armed tribes. This situation is made more complex by the questionable loyalties and Janus-faced role of the Iraqi police and Iraqi Army, which have been trained and armed at United States taxpayers’ expense.

A few nights ago, for example, we witnessed the death of one American soldier and the critical wounding of two others when a lethal armor-piercing explosive was detonated between an Iraqi Army checkpoint and a police one. Local Iraqis readily testified to American investigators that Iraqi police and Army officers escorted the triggermen and helped plant the bomb. These civilians highlighted their own predicament: had they informed the Americans of the bomb before the incident, the Iraqi Army, the police or the local Shiite militia would have killed their families.

Buddhika Jayamaha is an Army specialist. Wesley D. Smith is a sergeant. Jeremy Roebuck is a sergeant. Omar Mora is a sergeant. Edward Sandmeier is a sergeant. Yance T. Gray is a staff sergeant. Jeremy A. Murphy is a staff sergeant.

TiQuinn
08-22-2007, 08:55 PM
OHMIGOD! American soldiers saying that conditions in Iraq aren't great?

What about all those soldiers who are saying on blogs that everything is upbeat and they're greeted with hugs and appreciation by all the Iraqis?

Where's phoamslinger when you need him!? :eek:

;)

Maddman
08-23-2007, 09:41 AM
OHMIGOD! American soldiers saying that conditions in Iraq aren't great?

What about all those soldiers who are saying on blogs that everything is upbeat and they're greeted with hugs and appreciation by all the Iraqis?

Where's phoamslinger when you need him!? :eek:

;)

Dude, don't know know that Iraq is really just like an Indiana* summer market?




* Gary, Indiana, long time murder capital of the world.

Kwalish Kid
08-23-2007, 12:58 PM
Dude, don't know know that Iraq is really just like an Indiana* summer market?




* Gary, Indiana, long time murder capital of the world.
Aah. Fond memories of Vampire: The Masquerade.

Utrecht
08-27-2007, 02:11 PM
OHMIGOD! American soldiers saying that conditions in Iraq aren't great?

What about all those soldiers who are saying on blogs that everything is upbeat and they're greeted with hugs and appreciation by all the Iraqis?

Where's phoamslinger when you need him!? :eek:

;)


He is taking some time off from message boards......

That being said, I think that.....both could very well be correct. Depends on where you are and whether a buddy or not got popped (which it sounds like it did in this blog)

cnath.rm
08-27-2007, 05:15 PM
Aah. Fond memories of Vampire: The Masquerade.What was it in V:TM? Knew a guy who had been there a few times and played Werewolf in the same group I did, he stated his believe that Gary was the armpit of the Wyrm.

Is it too late to turn large portions of Iraq into glass? Maybe a good old fashioned city into rubble transformation? At this point I'm not sure there is an answer to the problems there that doesn't make things 10 time worse in the shortrun. (and we in the US don't really seem to be all that good at dealing with the shortrun and waiting for the longrun for things to get better.)