Twilight anyone????

[Dawnstar]

Yes I know that people are probably rolling their eyes at this thread but that is okay. I figured that I would start a discussion. If you have read the books or seen the first movie. Would you like to come discuss it with me?

[Pigs in Space]

BA has read the books and she really liked them. She read them before they were cool though.

I just kind of want to punch that guy though. He has a punchable face.

Also I'm way hotter than him, just less famous.

[Dawnstar]

Why do you think he has a punchable face?

Hopefully BA will join me in here and we can have a discussion. It is nice talking about these books with adults instead of teenagers who get all gaga over the characters.

[Pigs in Space]

I don't know... just something about the shape of his nose, I can feel it crunching deliciously.

[Dawnstar]

Did you feel this way when he was cedric diggory????

[Pigs in Space]

I thought Marky mark played Dirk diggler? And that's hardly teenage fiction at any rate.

[Brynja]

I disliked Twilight intensely, I can see where others might light it but its undertones stuck in my craw and the fact it was for teenaged girls, is what I found irritating based on what I felt was the subtext.

[Brynja]

To wit:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16878_if-twilight-was-10-times-shorter-100-times-more-honest.html

FADE IN:

EXT. WASHINGTON

KRISTEN STEWART goes to FORKS, WASHINGTON.

KRISTEN STEWART (V.O.)

Once upon a time, there lived an enchanting girl named Stephanie Meyer, er I mean Kristen Stewart. She was so awesome that her awesomeness couldn't be contained in Arizona, so she moved to Washington to stay with her father, who was totally lame and not cool.

BILLY BURKE

Hey honey. I'm super lame. I got you a car, but it's totally uncool because I'm totally uncool.

KRISTEN STEWART

Thanks Dad, or whatever. Time for my first day at a new school. Since every coming-of-age story requires the main character be a social outcast, I suppose I'll have to endure being the unpopular new girl until I do something that proves my worth.

KRISTEN goes to school and is INSTANTLY POPULAR AND BELOVED.

ANNA KENDRICK

Oh my God I love your hair you're so pretty will you be my new best friend?

GREGORY TYREE BOYCE

Can I take you out sometime since you're so awesome?

MICHAEL WELCH

No way you asshole, I saw her first!

KRISTEN STEWART

I'd rather watch "The Messengers" than date either of you. Why don't you go ask Anna instead?

ANNA KENDRICK

Ohmigod I'm getting Kristen's rejects, that's so awesome!

KRISTEN STEWART

Wow. I guess this is what it looks like when the unpopular fat girl's pathetic daydreams get written down and published into a bestselling book. Aren't well-written characters supposed to have flaws?







ANNA KENDRICK

Flaws? Oh, well, um, I suppose you could argue that you're a little TOO perfect and amazing. But I don't think so. Let's make out.

Suddenly, ROBERT PATTINSON enters. The paleness of him and his family members reach blinding levels while the squeals in the movie theater reach deafening levels.

KRISTEN STEWART

Who's the albino Wolverine?

ANNA KENDRICK

Oh, him? That's Robert. He's universally acknowledged as the hottest boy in school but he doesn't date anyone because no girl is good enough for him.

KRISTEN STEWART

No girl is good enough for him? Man, the excuses closested homosexuals come up with these days...

KRISTEN sits next to ROBERT, who nearly vomits in his mouth and leaves school for a week. Eventually, he returns.

KRISTEN STEWART

Hey, where did you go? Because you are exceedingly mean to me, I find myself attracted to you.

ROBERT PATTINSON

Sounds like textbook daddy issues, you fat cow.

KRISTEN STEWART

(swoon)

ROBERT PATTINSON

You have a bright career as a stripper ahead of you.







ROBERT and KRISTEN continue not quite interacting with each other and having no chemistry what-so-ever.

KRISTEN STEWART

Hey, your eyes are changing color from gorgeous to ultragorgeous. What's going on?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Alright, you got me. I was acting like a jerk because I secretly totally love you.

KRISTEN STEWART

Of course! This also explains why the captain of the football team always acted like he hated Stephanie Meyer!

ROBERT PATTINSON

There's more. I want to eat you.

KRISTEN STEWART

Holy shit, really? I need to go home and do some waxing first, but...

ROBERT PATTINSON

No, I mean literally eat you. I'm a vampire.

KRISTEN STEWART

Hmm. The only way I will believe you is if you carry me up a mountain using special effects from the 70s.







He DOES.

KRISTEN STEWART

You really are a vampire! Does that mean that garlic, stakes, and sunlight kill you?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Don't be stupid. All of that lore is far too interesting for this movie. Being a vampire just means I get superpowers. It's like being Spider-Man, but sexier. Also, I sparkle in the sunlight.

KRISTEN STEWART

So that's why why your family moved here, because it's always overcast!

ROBERT PATTINSON

That's right everyone, this whole movie is a two-hour-long setup for a joke about the Pacific Northwest.

KRISTEN STEWART

So if you're immortal, how old are you anyway?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Over a hundred, but to be fair I've spent most of that time working on my hair.

The two of them GAZE into each other's eyes with UNCOMFORTABLY HUGE CLOSEUPS for 80% of the rest of the movie.







INT. KRISTEN'S BEDROOM

KRISTEN wakes up to find ROBERT watching her sleep.

KRISTEN STEWART

Holy fucking shit! If you weren't so hot I'd have you arrested! How long have you been doing this?

ROBERT PATTINSON

2 months.

KRISTEN STEWART

But I've only lived here one month according to the script.

ROBERT PATTINSN

Yeah, the script was written in six weeks. Don't get hung up on shit like that.

KRISTEN STEWART

Oh. Well, as long as you're here I guess we could have sex.

ROBERT PATTINSON

No, I can't have sex with you! I'd be unable to control myself! I'd bite you and turn you into a vampire! Also I ejaculate boiling venom, so I'd need to wear like fifty condoms.

KRISTEN STEWART

Wait, we can't have sex at all, and you can't suck my blood? How can you make a vampire movie without anyone sucking blood?

ROBERT PATTINSON

It's alright, I think this movie already has more than enough sucking.

INT. BILLY BURKE'S HOUSE

BILLY BURKE is cleaning his gun and drinking a beer while listening to country music.

KRISTEN STEWART

Dad, my boyfriend is coming over to pick me up. Try not to get dork all over him.

BILLY BURKE

Okay, let me meet him after the movie makes the film industry's ten billionth joke about protective fathers disliking boyfriends.







KRISTEN STEWART

Alright. Oh, and also: He's a 100-year-old vampire, don't say anything racist about vampires, okay?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Hello, sir. It's a pleasure to meet you, Kristen has said absolutely nothing about you because you're so lame.

BILLY BURKE

So I hear you're a 100-years-old. And interested in my 17-year-old daughter. So, mathematically that's like, what, a 40-year-old dating a 6-year-old?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Ummmmmmmm...

BILLY BURKE

Yeah, so my friend Chris Hansen would like you to have a seat right over here.

KRISTEN STEWART

Dad, you're embarrassing me almost as much as my acting! I'm just going over to his house to have dinner with his family, I'll be back before 11. Unless the ravenous vampires murder me, of course.

BILLY BURKE

Alright, just bring this pepper spray with you. It's literally the very least I can do to offer it to my teenage daughter.

KRISTEN STEWART

Daaaaad! Stop being such a loser, I don't need this!

BILLY BURKE

Really? Weren't you almost raped by four guys earlier in the movie?

KRISTEN STEWART

Yeah but I have a BOYFRIEND now, which means I no longer have to be independent or physically capable of doing anything on my own. GOD!

ROBERT and KRISTEN go to visit ROBERT'S FAMILY MANSION in the middle of the woods, because of course the FANTASY MALE should be rich, too.

INT. GLASS MANSION

KRISTEN meets ROBERT'S VAMPIRE FAMILY.

KRISTEN STEWART

Jesus, this place is paler than an Anne Rice book signing event. At least it doesn't smell as bad.

PETER FACINELLI

Welcome to our ridiculously expensive home. I'm the father figure of this family because I'm the one who turned them all into vampires. There's something disturbing about the idea that I've only turned teenagers into vampires, but let's ignore that.

KRISTEN STEWART

Wow, you guys are so close. What keeps this family together so well?

PETER FACINELLI

Funny you should ask. Let me tell you about Count Joseph Von Smith. One day a vampire named Moronula appeared to him and told him to find these golden stakes buried in a coffin...

NIKKI REED

Knock it off, dad. So, Kristen, there must be something really special about you for Robert to take such a liking to you and risk the lives of his entire family. Tell us about yourself.

KRISTEN STEWART

Me? Oh, no. I'm just a hollow placeholder for all of the teenage girls in the audience to project their personalities onto. I have none of my own whatsoever.

NIKKI REED

Oh. Well what do you like to do for fun?

KRISTEN STEWART

Mostly smoke pot on my porch in front of the paparazzi. What about you guys?

PETER FACINELLI

Vampire baseball.

KRISTEN STEWART

Ha ha, no seriously.

PETER FACINELLI

Really. Vampire baseball. We even have uniforms. Want to come watch us play?

KRISTEN STEWART

Actually, as it happens, the very last thing on Earth I or any other sane person would want to watch is vampire baseball, but go ahead.







They play vampire baseball, which looks exactly as stupid as it sounds to all of the males in the audience. The game attracts the attention of some EVIL VAMPIRES, who actually do the type of shit vampires are supposed to, like fucking kill boring humans. One of them, CAM GIGANDET, notices KRISTEN.

CAM GIGANDET

Oh man, that looks great, are you gonna finish that?

ROBERT PATTINSON

Stay away from her or my family will have to kill you. Specifically, we'll have to hiss at you like fifth graders pretending to be Dracula, and then kill you.

CAM GIGANDET

Murder, eh? That's one hell of a family activity. My family usually just plays Scrabble.

PETER FACINELLI

The family that slays together, stays together.

CAM tries to eat KRISTEN, a poorly directed action sequence ensues, and eventually he is defeated.

PETER FACINELLI

Kristen's been bitten! She'll be turned into a vampire within minutes unless you suck the venom out! I can't do it for some reason or another.

ROBERT PATTINSON

Since the whole novel this is based on is just Mormon propaganda for abstinence and bloodsucking is a metaphor for sex, what exactly is this advocating?

PETER FACINELLI

Look, all I know is that even though it's going to be REALLY HARD, you're just going to have to PULL OUT of her before CLIMAX. The climax of the movie, I mean.

He DOES. It's very DISSATISFYING.

INT. HOSPITAL

KRISTEN wakes up in the hospital, and ROBERT wakes up after her.

KRISTEN STEWART

I thought vampires never slept.

ROBERT PATTINSON

Script. Six weeks. Remember?

KRISTEN STEWART

Right. Well, thanks for saving my life after endangering it by inviting me into your dangerous world. Let's go to the prom together.

ROBERT PATTINSON

Actually, I think it would be better if we broke up. To keep you safe.

KRISTEN STEWART

From vampires?

ROBERT PATTINSON

No, from being typecast forever after this series is done. I'm screwed, but it's not too late for you.

KRISTEN STEWART

No. No, you can't ever leave me. Never. No matter what. We must be together forever and ever and ever.

ROBERT PATTINSON

Holy shit, you're a clingy psychotic bitch. Maybe we have a realistic high school relationship after all.

They stay together and go to the PROM.

KRISTEN STEWART

I want you to make me a vampire so that I can be with you, even if it means sacrificing my own life as a mortal.







ROBERT PATTINSON

So, the next generation of young women are currently flocking to see a female lead starring in a movie by a female director based on a bestselling book by a female author, and in this movie the main character wants to become completely submissive and self-sacrificing for a male.

KRISTEN STEWART

I love you. Put a baby in me.

ROBERT PATTINSON

At least the other three books can't possibly be more misogynistic and depressing.

They ARE.

END

[Pigs in Space]

I'm also a fan of the quick version:

http://www.rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/meyer.twilight.shtml

[Lady Fury]

I took my 7yr old to see it a few weeks ago. I was very disappointed. I thought the movie sucked. The two main characters had no chemistry together.

[crimson]

I took my 7yr old to see it a few weeks ago. I was very disappointed. I thought the movie sucked. The two main characters had no chemistry together.

Yep. I also thought Edward was more of a controlling boyfriend than some uber romantic protector figure. "Oh, you can't hang out with them, because they're werewolves, even though you're friends with them, watch me brood."

Having said that, the movie was better than the book because there were no adjectives. Having said that, I'm still listening to the audiobooks at work :D

[Dawnstar]

when you get into the third book and you hear the main character talk about not wanting to be THAT GIRL. cracked me up.

Brynja - what do you really dislike about it? how fast they are "in love" or something else?

I find the books enjoyable read just because i am not really reading into it. Just something to distract my mind from time to time. Sort of the same way i enjoyed the harry potter books. But i guess that is why i can enjoy them because i am not paying attention to what the subtext of the book is.

[Lady Fury]

when you get into the third book and you hear the main character talk about not wanting to be THAT GIRL. cracked me up.

Brynja - what do you really dislike about it? how fast they are "in love" or something else?

I find the books enjoyable read just because i am not really reading into it. Just something to distract my mind from time to time. Sort of the same way i enjoyed the harry potter books. But i guess that is why i can enjoy them because i am not paying attention to what the subtext of the book is.

I really liked the Harry Potter books. I haven't read the Twilight series but seeing the movie and how dull the story line was has me thinking the books probably wouldn't be worth my time.

[Ergeheilalt]

Brynja, you will forever have my love and respect. I agree, wholely and and completely.

[Brynja]

when you get into the third book and you hear the main character talk about not wanting to be THAT GIRL. cracked me up.

Brynja - what do you really dislike about it? how fast they are "in love" or something else?

I find the books enjoyable read just because i am not really reading into it. Just something to distract my mind from time to time. Sort of the same way i enjoyed the harry potter books. But i guess that is why i can enjoy them because i am not paying attention to what the subtext of the book is.


Oh no I am not slagging anyone for liking it but you asked opinions, and I gave mine.

My issue was they fell so fast and she was like "lulz sure my life means nothing! let me be part of yours!!"

[Janos]

I tried reading the first book, but the constant "sigh, I'm a teenager, that means my life is angst" and "sigh, I'm a teenage vampire, my life is greater angst", and finally "sigh, we're teenagers angsting together, it must be love", I punched myself in the face for subjecting my eyes and brain to that level of drivel.

On the dubious plus side, it did move Anita Blake books from the first worst vampire book(s) I've read to the second, so that's a positive for Laura K. Hamilton.

[Pigs in Space]

To be fair to Stephane Meyer, her book "the Host" was really good.

Although the main character did spend a whole lot of time with "traces of fire across her skin" and "burning eyes" and that shit.

[Dr. Paragon]

HO-LEE FUSCHNICKENS is the fourth book awful!
Avoid it like Van Helsing.

And yes "The Host" is refreshingly good compared to the Twilight
series.

[Black Angel]

Ok, so I finally made it to this thread...but I don't have time to post much right now, so I'll get back to you all tomorrow...!

[obryn]

Both my friends (who have good taste) and my mom (who has bad taste) have told me the book sucks.

When such a broad-ranging selection of people tells me something sucks, I'm inclined to believe them. :)

-O

[crimson]

Both my friends (who have good taste) and my mom (who has bad taste) have told me the book sucks.

When such a broad-ranging selection of people tells me something sucks, I'm inclined to believe them. :)

-O


Well, they are books about vampires.

[Dawnstar]

Oh Brynja I liked your opinion, did not mean to sound like i was defensive. I completely agree with you with the whole falling way too quickly. and the fact that she believes her life means nothing without him in it. That is a scary thing to teach kids. I mean I am firm believer in not lossing yourself in a relationship yet the books and movie make it seem like she is nothing without him and that is not good.

I enjoyed the books because it is a mindless read. Which are good things for me since i am not always able to read a whole lot at one time with three kids running around the house.

But i do have to say that i enjoyed the book more than the movie.

[Cat of Ulthar]

I enjoyed the books because it is a mindless read. Which are good things for me since i am not always able to read a whole lot at one time with three kids running around the house.

You don't have to defend yourself Dawnstar, there is nothing wrong with a nice mindless read! I have the complete works of Mercedes Lackey and yes it is mindless but it's enjoyable! This kind of books are the fantasy-lovers' equivalent to ladies' romances I guess.

[TiQuinn]

Don't know about Twilight, but True Blood has made me want to read that series of books.

[Brynja]

Absolutely!

I read that hack RA Salvatore on the beach.

It is fun, mindless, brain candy and their is nothing wrong with that :)

Besides I dont want my history books getting sand and lotion on them.

[Name Lips]

Hm... there's nothing wrong with a bad vampire movie. But there are several kinds of bad. I think this sounds like "watch once, mock mercilessly" bad, which Emerald and I tend to enjoy.

[Limper]

Both my friends (who have good taste) and my mom (who has bad taste) have told me the book sucks.

When such a broad-ranging selection of people tells me something sucks, I'm inclined to believe them. :)

-O

So then why did you sell your soul to 4e?

[Brynja]

It cuddles him after the uncomfortable anal.


You don't.



Jerk.

[Snatch]

Ok, so I finally made it to this thread...but I don't have time to post much right now, so I'll get back to you all tomorrow...!

TEASE!!!

[Janos]

TEASE!!!

I read that hack RA Salvatore on the beach.
...
Besides I dont want my history books getting sand and lotion on them.

Quote the real tease! Who would have thought that a thread on Twilight would be worthless without pics?

[Dawnstar]

What kind of pictures are you looking for? I could find a lot of pictures just not sure they are what you are looking for.

[Janos]

What kind of pictures are you looking for? I could find a lot of pictures just not sure they are what you are looking for.

Psst, I was making a joke about Brynja at the beach all lotioned up.

:tongue:

[Cat of Ulthar]

Mmmmmm, beach... warm... sun... sand... Brynja...

[Freedom Canadian]

Aruba, jamaica ooo I wanna take ya

Bermuda, bahama come on pretty mama

:boogie:

[Black Angel]

TEASE!!!

:D Well, all comments about lotions aside, I also enjoyed the Twilight series, probably for a similar reason to Dawnstar, in that it was a relaxing easy read & an escape without too much thinking involved. I can certainly see the points people are making about Edward being so controlling, and about falling for him so quickly, but I didn't really notice those things at the time. I guess maybe I'm a shallow reader (at least in this case) & just take things on face value without looking for a subtext.

One of my friends (who is an amateur writer herself) commented that she really enjoyed the books while she was reading them, then felt dirty for doing so afterwards! :lol:

[Dawnstar]

:


One of my friends (who is an amateur writer herself) commented that she really enjoyed the books while she was reading them, then felt dirty for doing so afterwards! :lol:

This comment really cracks me up. And is so true.

[bunny]

Oh Brynja I liked your opinion, did not mean to sound like i was defensive. I completely agree with you with the whole falling way too quickly. and the fact that she believes her life means nothing without him in it. That is a scary thing to teach kids. I mean I am firm believer in not lossing yourself in a relationship yet the books and movie make it seem like she is nothing without him and that is not good.

I enjoyed the books because it is a mindless read. Which are good things for me since i am not always able to read a whole lot at one time with three kids running around the house.

But i do have to say that i enjoyed the book more than the movie.


I'm with Brynja in not being too fond of the underlying message. I have not read, nor do I intend to read these books or see the movie. I find the subtext inescapable and the lines like "I'm a dumb lamb" that prompt "dumb lamb" tshirts worn by young girls..... ugh!

'Kay, done ranting.

[Dawnstar]

There are dumb lamb shirts?

[TiQuinn]

This is also why I like Salem's Lot as far as vampire stories go. There's nothing sexy or cool about the vamps in that book.

[The Theocrat of Poon-Tang]

My wife has read all of these books and enjoys them, even though she knows what a "fad" thing it is right now.

I choose not to participate in this fad. I'll take my vampires like Christopher Lee, Max Schreck and Klaus Kinski, thank you very much. :D

[amethal]

My wife and my mother both liked the books. I'm still not going to read them.

I hated the film, but I'm not really sure why. I think it was because the two main characters had nothing in common, no reason to be together and plenty of reasons not to be.

The male lead did nothing for me, which I expected, but the female lead did nothing either, which was a shame - she came across as some random half crazed teenage girl who wasn't even interesting.

The whole "vampires are ultimate predators, with no weaknesses whatsoever, and you mortal cattle are defenceless" vibe was also fairly annoying.

I did like the way the vampires vs werewolves thing was introduced in a pretty subtle way, and if I get dragged to see any of the inevitable sequals the only thing I'll be looking forward to is seeing how that works out.

[bunny]

There are dumb lamb shirts?


Yup... and that's not even the worst of the merchandise that's on the market.
Property of Edward thongs (http://clothing.cafepress.com/twilight_undergarments?topic=10848)


EDIT: Hey, I just realized the double implication of that slogan. It doesn't just apply to the contents of the thong, it could also mean that the thong itself is Edwards. That puts an interesting new twist on the character.

[Dawnstar]

Okay those thongs are just so stupid but the scary thing is that they are probably selling like hot cakes.

[Morbidity]

I read them and enjoyed them. I found the whole instant love and life is over without him etc thing absolutely hysterical. Admittedly I alternated b/w wanting to smack half the characters and laughing at them, but all in all a good mindless read.

Oh and amethal, the werewolves are definitely more interesting than the vampires ... but then that isn't saying much. :D

[Badwednesday]

I haven't read the books or seen the movie.... so, I don't have a direct review.

However, I do have a 14 year old sister. And the little girls I have seen in book stores (and, sadly, on the googletubes) FREAKING OUT about how they "sooooo wish they could just be Edward's girlfriend OMGBBQwheeeeeeeeeee!", think "Edward is soooo purfect", etc etc etc.

Then I hear reviews from those who have read the books. And almost universally, whether they liked the books or not, they say the relationship between Bella and Edward seems (at least) controlling and borderline abusive.

I guess that's where I get concerned- do these girls actually think that is the way a relationship is supposed to be? Do they notice how he and Bella actually interact, or is it just that they think the guy playing him is hot? I'm hoping it's just the sort of teen-girl gaga business that I vaguely remember from middle and highschool, and not something they'll actually model any sort of real life relationship after.

[Badwednesday]

Yup... and that's not even the worst of the merchandise that's on the market.
Property of Edward thongs (http://clothing.cafepress.com/twilight_undergarments?topic=10848)


EDIT: Hey, I just realized the double implication of that slogan. It doesn't just apply to the contents of the thong, it could also mean that the thong itself is Edwards. That puts an interesting new twist on the character.

zomg.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o68/badwednesday/loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.jpg

[Varaj]

Just started book four. So far I must admit I like them a goodly amount.

[Dr. Paragon]

Just started book four. So far I must admit I like them a goodly amount.
Now I am curious as to your opinion after you complete the series.

[ROGAN GOSH]

I read them. I enjoyed them. I'm easily entertaimed. :o

[Dawnstar]

Just started book four. So far I must admit I like them a goodly amount.

Once you are done, let me know your impression of the whole series is.

[Varaj]

Over all I really enjoyed the books. I liked her writing style, the stories weren't high literature but were still good fun reads. She put some twists on traditional stories that were amusing. My main complaint was the predictability of the stories.

I would give them a very high mark in teen lit and a moderate mark over all. Books I will likely read again and am looking forward to the movie.

And jacob is waaaay cooler than Edward.

Jacob rules, Edward drools! :)

[Dawnstar]

Over all I really enjoyed the books. I liked her writing style, the stories weren't high literature but were still good fun reads. She put some twists on traditional stories that were amusing. My main complaint was the predictability of the stories.

I would give them a very high mark in teen lit and a moderate mark over all. Books I will likely read again and am looking forward to the movie.

And jacob is waaaay cooler than Edward.

Jacob rules, Edward drools! :)

I am actually with you on the jacob thing. I really like jacob in the books. and having seen the first movie I hope they keep the same person in the role but we will see what happens considering it is hollywood.

[Dr. Paragon]

I was pretty okay with the series till the "Mary-Sue Nuke" detonated
about a fifth of the way into the fourth book. The fall-out from
said event poisoned the rest of that book for me and tainted some
of the enjoyment I had garnered from the first three.

Shrug..

[Varaj]

I was pretty okay with the series till the "Mary-Sue Nuke" detonated
about a fifth of the way into the fourth book. The fall-out from
said event poisoned the rest of that book for me and tainted some
of the enjoyment I had garnered from the first three.

Shrug..

Heh. It didn't bother me because it was telegraphed since book 1. :)

[The Winslow]

ROBERT PATTINSON

So, the next generation of young women are currently flocking to see a female lead starring in a movie by a female director based on a bestselling book by a female author, and in this movie the main character wants to become completely submissive and self-sacrificing for a male.

It's because it's written by a woman that it's okay. Compare The Story of O with those Gor books.

[Brynja]

Yes but the author of Story of O iirc used a male nome de plume.

So make of that what you will.

Drivel is drivel.

[The Winslow]

"Pauline Réage" isn't especially masculine...


As for its drivelness, well, it's the girly equivalent of Eragon...

[Brynja]

"Pauline Réage" isn't especially masculine...


As for its drivelness, well, it's the girly equivalent of Eragon...


Which also sucks.

[Cat of Ulthar]

There was speculation that Réage was a man, mostly by people who thought the book was too explicit or too degrading to have been written by a woman, until Anne Desclos revealed herself to be the writer.

I found it highly exciting, especially the beginning, but the story goes a bit all over the place once Jacqueline comes in.

[Black Angel]

So I finally went to see the movie on the weekend with a couple of friends. I wasn't expecting much, but was pleasantly surprised at how it was. While some SF were pretty bad (the glowing skin?!), most were ok, and I like how closely they stuck to the book. I'm looking forward to seeing more. My friends both enjoyed it also.

[Northcott]

I'm finally reading this book, after much raving by certain inlaws. I'm torn. On the one hand, I find the author's writing style to be very engaging. She's got a gift for storytelling, and has an appealing sense of story pace and an interesting cadence to her writing.

On the other hand, the Mary Sue factor is through the roof, and I suspect may be responsible for my nausea over the last couple days.

[Varaj]

Just watched the movie. Over all I think they did a reasonably good job rendering the spirit of the book to film.

I'm looking forward to watching it with my 13 year old daughter.

[doc]

I saw the twilight's hero has an action figure, gotta be big if it has an action figure

[Northcott]

Okay those thongs are just so stupid but the scary thing is that they are probably selling like hot cakes.

I feel compelled to add that I have no problem with thongs reading "Property of Edward" selling so well.

My wife, however, will be less than amused when she finds out about this.

[Cat of Ulthar]

I feel compelled to add that I have no problem with thongs reading "Property of Edward" selling so well.

My wife, however, will be less than amused when she finds out about this.

:D You should get her one to see how she reacts.

[Bagpuss]

I'm finally reading this book, after much raving by certain inlaws. I'm torn. On the one hand, I find the author's writing style to be very engaging. She's got a gift for storytelling, and has an appealing sense of story pace and an interesting cadence to her writing.

I've just read it myself, and can agree to a point. While her style of writing is engaging, having also seen the film you can tell that she really lacks any real sense of action or pacing (other than a snails pace). There was no foreshadowing of the evil vampires arrival (like in the film), they just sort of turn up (okay Alice foresees their arrival but only something like the chapter before).

Writing in the first person, is also a little annoying, you constantly get Bella's self loathing. Also because she is tied to it that style you miss out all events that Bella is not there for or not concious like the end battle, and foreshadowing the evil vampires arrival. Of course if she was a decent writer she could have had Bella stumbled across police reports her Dad brought home or something, which would also have given another twist to the relationship if Bella could have suspected Edward or his family of being involved. But on no Bella couldn't have thought anything but the world of Edward all the way through. *yawn*

I found it okay, but it didn't want to make me read any more in the series, but then I'm not a teenage girl so not that target audience.

[Northcott]

I've been laid up a lot lately, so I've torn through the second and third books. The second had the same pacing problem as the first. The third, on the other hand, I found far more enjoyable. The secondary characters got more face time (and I find them more interesting), and the story pacing was much more solid. It was set in a shorter time frame, and that seemed to suit her style.

I still think that the superhero vampires are pretty fucktarded, though. Super-strong, nigh invulnerable, super fast, heal from any wound short of being burned to ashes... and what's their weakness? They glitter in the sunlight. Sparkly vampires. Oh no.

[Cat of Ulthar]

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[Northcott]

Now if only I had the patience and time to animate Bela Lugosi doing jazz hands...

You know, there's the potential for brilliant subtext in these books. Deep character examination. I only wish I could believe it was done on purpose. Werewolves as a metaphor for physically abusive relationships (I know I ripped your face off, honey, but I was angry! I swear it'll never happen again, baby! Just come back to me, please!), the examination of changing social standards (with Edward's behaviour being quite liberal for a Victorian-era gentleman, but freakishly overprotective and controlling for a modern man), etc.