Vista - why the hate?

[obryn]

No, really. I've had Vista installed for several days, it hasn't crashed once, it's run smoothly, and it has a lot of good features I'd always wished XP had.

Is it because it was shitty before SP1?

Is it because of the high hardware requirements?

I'm stumped. To me, it seems like a pretty outstanding OS.

-O

[there_is_no_bob]

I've had it for several months - the only crashes I've had have been my own damn fault, to be perfectly honest.

Don't understand it either.

[Enk]

...Is it because of the high hardware requirements?
-O

This + poor driver pool at launch.

Add in that the big OEMs didn't provide enough memory and skimped on the onboard video for the first wave and you have the answer.

[FeatsofClay]

I HATED Vista the first month I had it. I could not find hardware to work with it. No printer or scanner would work, no virus protection, none of that shit. Since the peripherals have caught up I have not had a single problem. I think my entire situation was born from being an early adopter.

[Kastil]

I'vve had Vista for almost a year with no problems. It pissed me off when the local computer shop convinced my mom to stay with XP.

[Singularity]

Ive had Vista running on my not so new Dell for a little over a year and I'm pretty happy with it. The only complaint I really have is that there are a small number of legacy programs that don't work with it, but they're few and far between. Games, productivity software, the internet - all good. Plus, as mentioned by others, its stable enough to run for weeks at a time without a crash.

I don't get the hate, but I give it a solid A.

[Yig]

I'm loving my Vista Ultimate 64.

Of course, I turned UAC off.

Only thing that I don't like is that Vista is a big memory hog.

[Schizm]

my new laptop uses vista. Not too bad.

I know that in my workplace, vista is reviled becaues it (only slightly) changed around the locations of commonly useful things in the operating system. on the other hand, It's easier to tell someone how to manually create a dilaup connection or go to the device manager now, so I don't see what all the bitching and whining is about. I wish the other VZW centers would get off their asses and learn vista, it's a two year old fucking operating system, at this point, and transfering to my center just because they can't be bothered to learn how to do something in vista is asstacular.

[PWD]

There's some legitimate reasons to hate it due to early adopter syndrome. It was relesed too early (what else is new, seriously) and there was legitimate pain with shitty drivers that was partially microsoft's fault (last second change to some driver models), but mostly vendor (Nvidia coughcough).

But most people hate it because it's trendy to do so.

Myself, I lived with it from release day, had my early adopter pain as I knew I would, pushed through it and it's been the best MS operating system by light years. It's extremely good right now.

[Name Lips]

Emerald's laptop has Vista, and it works fine. My PC has XP and works fine too. I don't see any reason to go and purchase Vista so long as XP keeps doing what I want it to. Vista is freakin' expensive. I figure I'll buy a new computer at some point and it'll come with Vista, and thus will I have upgraded.

[The Winslow]

Most issues disappeared after ATI and nVidia updated their drivers and the service pack was released. Some programs are still not very compatible with Vista, either because of the UAC or for some mysterious reason.

Then there's the problem with folder virtualization. The way the Program Files subdirectories are protected from tampering by other applications isn't a bad idea, but the issue is that all games will have a default install in Program Files, and then virtualization makes modding these games very difficult. For example, there's a very cool utility for Morrowind that can give it graphics about on-par with Oblivion, including long-distance view and grass swaying int the wind. Only, it won't work with Vista if Morrowind is installed in Program Files.

Then there's stuff like this, and many more:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/7060-windows-genuine-dis-advantage-this-glitch-proves-that-its-useless-/
http://www.crn.com/software/198702242

That said, I don't have issues with Vista currently. The latest problem I had was that Windows Update absolutely wanted me to install an updated driver for "Silicon Image - Storage - ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller" -- and it failed, the issue being that this driver doesn't apply to the peripheral I actually have. The correct driver, by the way, is one that Vista deems incompatible so I had to tell it to show incompatible drivers and then to insist that I really wanted that one.

[Limper]

No, really. I've had Vista installed for several days, it hasn't crashed once, it's run smoothly, and it has a lot of good features I'd always wished XP had.

Is it because it was shitty before SP1?

Is it because of the high hardware requirements?

I'm stumped. To me, it seems like a pretty outstanding OS.

-O

My issue was that the default location of anything I used to use seemed to be move slightly. After 10 years of Windows crap being in one location when I went to get to it, it changed.

If the stock default locations of everything was in the same place I'd not have hated it so.

Its the same reason I loathe Office 2007.

Combinations of key strokes and mouse clicks that are at this point hardwired muscle trained into my activities no longer work and i have to go hunting for the options I use and want to use.

Its fucking annoying and it makes my daily tasks and updates take longer.

The resource hogging is also offensive but its a lesser evil as its over all impact to function is pretty minimal.

[obryn]

IIRC, XP had a hell of an early adopter syndrome, too, didn't it? I remember it was greeted very ... coolly ... by most tech magazines and PC enthusiasts. (I think for the same reasons, too.)

Heck, I remember people who were disdainful of XP way up until SP2. (And that one caused its own little slew of problems...)


As for UAC, I love it - but that might be because I've used Linux on and off for a few years, and I'm used to granting Administrator rights. It's a sensible approach to computer security, IMHO.

-O

[Yig]

As for UAC, I love it - but that might be because I've used Linux on and off for a few years, and I'm used to granting Administrator rights. It's a sensible approach to computer security, IMHO.


Yeah but it annoy me. They went overboard with it.

You cannot do basic stuff without it asking you if you give permission every time.

[PWD]

Yeah but it annoy me. They went overboard with it.

You cannot do basic stuff without it asking you if you give permission every time.

It's too dependent upon publisher certificates before it will attach longstanding trust to an application. You should be able to say "Checksum this five ways from sunday, but as long as that doesn't change I trust it to do this so shut the fuck up" and have it accept that.

[Singularity]

UAC doesn't bother me a bit. What it does is elert me whenever some shitty piece of spyware is trying to install itself onto my system without my approval - and lets me shut that shit down without having to go back and remove it later.

[Yig]

UAC doesn't bother me a bit. What it does is elert me whenever some shitty piece of spyware is trying to install itself onto my system without my approval - and lets me shut that shit down without having to go back and remove it later.

That is the good part.

The bad part part is the rest.

In my case the bad part was outweighting the good part so I turned it off.

[Singularity]

I have so far only turned it off briefly when I needed to do that to get a couple programs to run for the first time.

[Yig]

You know, I thought you'd be hating Vista... It's kinda the 4e of Windows ;)

[The Winslow]

UAC doesn't bother me a bit.

I'm worried that it will cause a demonic invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Aerospace_Corporation) in my computer, myself.

[Singularity]

You know, I thought you'd be hating Vista... It's kinda the 4e of Windows ;)

No, not really. Mac OS is the 4E of Windows.

[PWD]

No, not really. Mac OS is the 4E of Windows.

It's more like the Amber Diceless.

[The Winslow]

It's more like the Amber Diceless.

But with a railroading GM. :tongue:

[Singularity]

No, not really. Mac OS is the 4E of Windows.

Looks like everybody chose to roll on past, or ignore, the fact that Mac OS is not Windows, which is why the comparison works.

[The Winslow]

Speaking of railroading, you're really a one-track mind, you know that? :)


... I need to find a "Catholics for D&D 4e" website somewhere.

[Sobek]

I've used Vista since it was in Release Candidacy and rather like it. Granted, the power management at that point sucked, but I hear it's much better since SP1.

[Dacke]

I'm worried that it will cause a demonic invasion (http://www.kaytastrophe.com/vb/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2 Fwiki%2FUnion_Aerospace_Corporation) in my computer, myself.
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