The Truth About Sarah Palin

[Lady Fury]

Link (http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm)

I get a lot of political links sent to me by friends and family through email. I usually glance over them but this one stood out to me. I will do more digging just to see if all the facts are truly facts about Sarah Palin. The part that really grates me is her beliefs and policies for Alaskan wildlife. I'm an animal lover and a hunter and I think the practices that she's allowing and standing by are cruel and horrific. It's not even a fair hunt for the animal if there is such a think. Ariel shooting of wolves??? Seriously this woman is messed in the head. Wolves are not over populating Alaska yet she has a $150 bounty per freshly cut left leg of each animal. :mad:

I really do dislike this woman. I just can't believe McCain chose her of all the people he could have chose.

[Random Encounter]

How many authors does this site have?
I'm reading down the page and the tone varies between factual accounting of her actions in office, to emotional attacks on her family ("ZOMG! Looks at all the dead animals in her parent's living room!") to a general attack on Alaskans, which I guess they thought was ok since they are from Alaska too:

I shudder at the thought of Sarah Palin as Vice President because I live in Alaska and know how violently misaligned Alaskan culture is with the rest of the US. Not only is there an entire country physically separating Alaska from the US, there is a cultural divide just as wide. Sarah Palin governs a culture for the most part stuck in the 19th century. Although she has an 80% approval rating as governor, keep in mind that most Alaskans are very different from most people in the U.S. Alaska is like no other state and in most regards it’s a foreign country with a foreign culture, or more correctly it's American culture but from a century ago.

Alaska was colonized by greedy people who wanted to get rich fast through the consumption of natural resources (minerals, wildlife, and oil). Little has changed in a hundred years and every industry in Alaska still exploits the land, sea, or wildlife. Natural resource extraction is the backbone of Alaska and it runs through every aspect of Alaskan life. Sarah Palin represents the modern face of these pioneer day interests. Everything in Alaskan politics focuses on one issue: natural resources.

If Sarah Palin were to ever become president we can kiss the natural world goodbye along with the freedom we treasure so much in this country. Sarah Palin is bad for the planet and bad for America!

[Lady Fury]

How many authors does this site have?
I'm reading down the page and the tone varies between factual accounting of her actions in office, to emotional attacks on her family ("ZOMG! Looks at all the dead animals in her parent's living room!") to a general attack on Alaskans, which I guess they thought was ok since they are from Alaska too:

I read that too. That's why I'm still going to research on my own the facts that bother me the most. If they are true, that cements my vote for Obama.

[Varaj]

Link (http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm)

I get a lot of political links sent to me by friends and family through email. I usually glance over them but this one stood out to me. I will do more digging just to see if all the facts are truly facts about Sarah Palin. The part that really grates me is her beliefs and policies for Alaskan wildlife. I'm an animal lover and a hunter and I think the practices that she's allowing and standing by are cruel and horrific. It's not even a fair hunt for the animal if there is such a think. Ariel shooting of wolves??? Seriously this woman is messed in the head. Wolves are not over populating Alaska yet she has a $150 bounty per freshly cut left leg of each animal. :mad:

I really do dislike this woman. I just can't believe McCain chose her of all the people he could have chose.

They aren't hunting the wolves for sport they are doing it for population control in attempt to help boost moose and caribou populations.
Will it work? No idea, but to go OMGZ hunting wolfs from planes is cruel seems, well to be blunt, fucking retarded.

How is it any crueler than hunting them from ground?

[Singularity]

How is it any crueler than hunting them from ground?

It's only sport if they can shoot back.

[Lady Fury]

They aren't hunting the wolves for sport they are doing it for population control in attempt to help boost moose and caribou populations.
Will it work? No idea, but to go OMGZ hunting wolfs from planes is cruel seems, well to be blunt, fucking retarded.

How is it any crueler than hunting them from ground?

The thing is, the moose and caribou populations are just fine. At least from the studies I'm looking at so far. A lot of wildlife biologists have suggest relocation of certain wolf packs to areas where they are sparse. Killing wolves for population control just doesn't make sense because there are far fewer wolves around now then ever before.

[Varaj]

It's only sport if they can shoot back.

I'm not a hunter, never done it, but I understand the need to control populations. Humans have fucked up "natural" population controls so humans have to step in.

[Lady Fury]

I'm not a hunter, never done it, but I understand the need to control populations. Humans have fucked up "natural" population controls so humans have to step in.

That's true. We have population control of deer here in our state. We even have moose again. I wish we had wolves. Maybe we can get Alaska to ship down some of their wolves to us. :D

[Varaj]

The thing is, the moose and caribou populations are just fine. At least from the studies I'm looking at so far.

Not according the the environmentalists or the state conservations.

A lot of wildlife biologists have suggest relocation of certain wolf packs to areas where they are sparse.

You have got to be joking. Relocate 600 wolves? At what cost?

Killing wolves for population control just doesn't make sense because there are far fewer wolves around now then ever before.

Uhm bullshit, the Alaskan wolf population is stable and strong, that has not been a point of contention in any lawsuit brought against wolf depopulation.
Wolf population is estimated to be between 7k-11k.

[Name Lips]

Wolves are not over populating Alaska

They aren't hunting the wolves for sport they are doing it for population control

So are there too many wolves or not? We need some fact checking.

[PWD]

You have got to be joking. Relocate 600 wolves? At what cost?

I have no idea, but it's not totally outrageous in concept. I know Canada has donated wolf packs for repopulation in the past. I believe in at least one case we sent over a hundred wolves down to you.

[AZRogue]

Most hunters I know, personally, are very careful environmentalists. They're all the people fighting to stop urban development of our more rural, natural landscapes and they pay close attention to hunting limits imposed due to population studies. I don't know any occasional hunters who don't care about their impact on the environment. At most, they argue about whether we should only hunt animals we intend to eat or not.

Coyotes, for instance, are over populated here in Arizona and are usually hunted quite a bit. This hasn't brought their numbers under control, but it has certainly helped. I've never done it myself as I don't usually have the time to hunt as much as when I was younger and if I'm going to bother, I'd like to get some good meat out of it. I can easily imagine a similar situation in regards to wolves, though I have no idea if this is the case.

EDIT: Relocating wolves could be a worthwhile idea. If there isn't an organization in your area involved with importing some, maybe you could research what it would take to help get one off the ground? Sounds like a good project. Wolves can be very majestic, in the wild, if the pictures I've seen are any indication. :)

[Varaj]

I have no idea, but it's not totally outrageous in concept. I know Canada has donated wolf packs for repopulation in the past. I believe in at least one case we sent over a hundred wolves down to you.

As a cost benefit analysis it is a damn silly idea.

[Lady Fury]

When I get back from my appointment I will pull up so actual facts. I'm sure I can get them straight from my department. One of the perks of having a degree in wildlife biology.

[PWD]

As a cost benefit analysis it is a damn silly idea.

Well duh, killing them off is obviously cheaper.

However, if at the same time you're killing these off someone else is importing wolves or just thinking about it, there's possibly some sympatico there.

[Varaj]

Well duh, killing them off is obviously cheaper.

However, if at the same time you're killing these off someone else is importing wolves or just thinking about it, there's possibly some sympatico there.

Doesn't appear anybody is stepping forward to foot the bill. :)

The fruit case environmentalists claim it is part of a secret government plan to kill off 80% of the wolf population to support urban hunters. The Alaskan Natives say it is to allow them to continue to subsistence, oh I'm sorry live as there fore fathers did, hunt moose and caribou.
Just on a gut reaction if I'm going to have to choose between believing a secret conspiracy or the explanation of a bunch of starving luddites, as much as it pains me, I'm going to back the luddites.

[PWD]

Doesn't appear anybody is stepping forward to foot the bill. :)

The fruit case environmentalists claim it is part of a secret government plan to kill off 80% of the wolf population to support urban hunters. The Alaskan Natives say it is to allow them to continue to subsistence, oh I'm sorry live as there fore fathers did, hunt moose and caribou.
Just on a gut reaction if I'm going to have to choose between believing a secret conspiracy or the explanation of a bunch of starving luddites, as much as it pains me, I'm going to back the luddites.

I'm sure there's plenty of fruitcake to go around, as usual. I was just stepping up to say that moving 600 wolves isn't inherently an ZOMGWUT idea, not advocating that it was necessarily the correct option... much as I love wolves.

[Varaj]

I'm sure there's plenty of fruitcake to go around, as usual. I was just stepping up to say that moving 600 wolves isn't inherently an ZOMGWUT idea, not advocating that it was necessarily the correct option... much as I love wolves.

I won't claim it is was the correct response either but you have to come up with a different story than "gov'ment conspiracy" or it's cruel. To say it is cruel is just fricking retarded. Like shooting them from a plane or a helicopter is crueler than blowing there brains out from the ground. :rolleyes:

[Name Lips]

I'd prefer them to be relocated to areas that have insufficient predators.

[Lmik]

Shoot the Alaskan wolves and import cheaper wolves from China for repopulating the 48 continuous states - if we were only going to work on cost benefit analysis you can probably kiss US industry goodbye.

[Ink Bleeder]

IIRC, they're trying to eliminate wolves to boost the population of moose and caribou for hunting. It's not the same wolf-killing rationale you get out here, where ranchers don't want to lose their livestock. As far as I know, ranching isn't a big part of Alaskan life - so it's harder for me to accept.

Well, they're both hard for me to accept, but at least the ranchers have a genuine (if mistaken) concern.

[Varaj]

IIRC, they're trying to eliminate wolves to boost the population of moose and caribou for hunting. It's not the same wolf-killing rationale you get out here, where ranchers don't want to lose their livestock. As far as I know, ranching isn't a big part of Alaskan life - so it's harder for me to accept.

Well, they're both hard for me to accept, but at least the ranchers have a genuine (if mistaken) concern.


The hunting is for Alaskan Natives that want to maintain their fore fathers way of life. Why do you Native Americans? Are you racists? Do you think nits make lice? Is that why you want native babies to starve?

[Kyle Voltti]

well if sources ar to be beleved she made it so that rape victims have to pay for the rape kit they receve..... she's a tool

[Name Lips]

Woah, that's like the Chinese government sending the families of executed prisoners a bill for the bullet used to blow their loved ones' brains out.

[PWD]

I won't claim it is was the correct response either but you have to come up with a different story than "gov'ment conspiracy" or it's cruel. To say it is cruel is just fricking retarded. Like shooting them from a plane or a helicopter is crueler than blowing there brains out from the ground. :rolleyes:

It's less sporting. By some definitions that's cruel. :D

By others it's smart.

[FeatsofClay]

I think far too many people have seen hunting from the narrow vision and interpretation of the northeastern hunter of whitetails in the Americas. In this area, because of the pattern of settlement the whitetail have grown big and overly plentiful. Hunters are picky about the prey they take and how they take it. I myself fall victim to this last part. It has formed the North American Hunting Credo- Healthy animal, clean shot, instant kill, never get the coat dirty, stone fireplace, flannel shirt goodness.

Hunting, in actuality, has always been a nasty affair. A clean kill is a miracle shot so wound it and track it is the norm. A hindquarter shot was ideal for it shortened tracking. Animals were sent scurrying form birrows and hideouts by flushers and nets and axes and all manner of untimely death were used.

What most North American hunters throw out is a feast. Modern hunting guides 'educate' us on dealing with gutting an animal in the field, proper disposal of the entrail goodness and humane treatment of the corpse from dressing an animal respectfully all the way to italian dressing marinades. :)

Every aspect of modern hunting methodology is aimed at population control, from seasonal hunts through gender limits, yet the rules hamstring themselves again and again to placate people who are appalled by the very process. Baiting is illegal, of you buy it. Grow corn or millet and it is legal. Eliminate a female and your peers accept it and the state watches. Eliminate a huge, old male and you are revered and the state sends awards and keeps eleaborate records despite the fact that any yearling button buck can impregnate the same 60 females he could.

Sporting is a joke. There is nothing sporting about the match whether ti is a longspear versus a blackbear or shooting wolves form a helicopter. Man (women included) versus animal the animal is going to kick your ass everyday of the week. We use numbers and tools even in the most primitive and sporting of hunting engagements. All the big game is stronger than us, smells better, hears better and frequently No sane politician wants to stop hunting anywhere within 500 miles of subsitence (if it is edible it is defensible) and whitetails are 100 lb rats by the sweet view. But whitetail are how most of the population form their hunting opinions.

I am ranting so I will stop. :o

[The Theocrat of Poon-Tang]

I really do dislike this woman. I just can't believe McCain chose her of all the people he could have chose

If they are true, that cements my vote for Obama.

:lol:

Damn, another "independent" breaks Obama's way.

Seriously, if you guys are in love with Obama just admit it. Don't make it sound like this was some excruciating choice and that Palin all of the sudden lifted the veil and that you now see straight.

[Singularity]

:lol:

Damn, another "independent" breaks Obama's way.

Seriously, if you guys are in love with Obama just admit it. Don't make it sound like this was some excruciating choice and that Palin all of the sudden lifted the veil and that you now see straight.

Wow, you're kind of off base on this one. She was in McCain's camp by default before election season started. This is a Republican since birth breaking Obama's way - just more evidence of how badly he's managing his campaign.

[Lady Fury]

:lol:

Damn, another "independent" breaks Obama's way.

Seriously, if you guys are in love with Obama just admit it. Don't make it sound like this was some excruciating choice and that Palin all of the sudden lifted the veil and that you now see straight.

You haven't been following any of my political posts for the last 2yrs have you? I've never voted for a democrat. This will be a first for me. I feel so virgin like.:o

[Sobek]

Shoot the Alaskan wolves and import cheaper wolves from China for repopulating the 48 continuous states - if we were only going to work on cost benefit analysis you can probably kiss US industry goodbye.
Except Chinese wolves contain lead. Not good for the kids to play with.

well if sources ar to be beleved she made it so that rape victims have to pay for the rape kit they receve..... she's a tool
Maybe you just didn't word it well (happens to me every other sentence), but that stinks of unsubstantiated rumor/crude smear that's just making the rounds.

Wow, you're kind of off base on this one. She was in McCain's camp by default before election season started. This is a Republican since birth breaking Obama's way - just more evidence of how badly he's managing his campaign.
I think you've just infected her. It's like syphillis or something -- rots your brain. :p

[Lady Fury]

I think you've just infected her. It's like syphillis or something -- rots your brain. :p


Ewwwww :what: Does this mean I need to get tested?

[Dacke]

Except Chinese wolves contain lead. Not good for the kids to play with.
I don't think lead-free wolves are particularly child-friendly either.

[Sobek]

I don't think lead-free wolves are particularly child-friendly either.
Bah! Details.

[Atropine Mama]

Except Chinese wolves contain lead. Not good for the kids to play with.

:lmao:

[Name Lips]

:lol:

Damn, another "independent" breaks Obama's way.

Seriously, if you guys are in love with Obama just admit it. Don't make it sound like this was some excruciating choice and that Palin all of the sudden lifted the veil and that you now see straight.

Damn, I'd forgotten what a genuine Conservative Trollbot looks like! Izzy's still better at it... He does his homework before painting people with a broad brush.

[Atropine Mama]

Damn, I'd forgotten what a genuine Conservative Trollbot looks like! Izzy's still better at it... He does his homework before painting people with a broad brush.

That's ok, it's good to see one pop up once in a while, just for old time's sake. I mean, he goes and compares using Obama's middle name to muckraking against Palin, and then goes and uses Hussein in all seriousness in another thread. Best laugh I had all day!

[The Theocrat of Poon-Tang]

That's ok, it's good to see one pop up once in a while, just for old time's sake. I mean, he goes and compares using Obama's middle name to muckraking against Palin, and then goes and uses Hussein in all seriousness in another thread. Best laugh I had all day!

Hey, and don't forget I called Joe Biden a plagiarist, too. Oh wait, as I said, that one is actually true. :)

[The Theocrat of Poon-Tang]

Damn, I'd forgotten what a genuine Conservative Trollbot looks like! Izzy's still better at it... He does his homework before painting people with a broad brush.

Yeah, you definitely want to get your ducks all lined up in a row when you have people starting threads saying that so-and-so heard Sarah Palin call Obama a Sambo. :rolleyes:

You're definitely right, I'm not the best trollbot out there. Unfortunately the left appears to be pretty good at it lately. But like some sort of robot with his morality chip removed, that shit appears to fly unfettered around here. Excuse me for calling bullshit on it. You can't suspend critical thinking when it comes to your guy and the shit being spread by your side.

As for LAdy Fury, if she was genuinely in McCain's camp then I apologize. I've just seen it so much in so many places, though. The dramatic switchover to Barack Hussein ( :) )Obama after careful deliberation. It doesn't get me angry, as I know most of these people liked him from the get-go. I just find it kind of amusing is all. Again, if that ain't you Lady Fury, my bad. ;)

[Lady Fury]

As for LAdy Fury, if she was genuinely in McCain's camp then I apologize. I've just seen it so much in so many places, though. The dramatic switchover to Barack Hussein ( :) )Obama after careful deliberation. It doesn't get me angry, as I know most of these people liked him from the get-go. I just find it kind of amusing is all. Again, if that ain't you Lady Fury, my bad. ;)


Yeah I genuinely was in McCain's camp up until recently. All the threads here will show that. But I can't expect you to keep up with all that.;) I understand your anger as well so no worries. I still don't like Obama as much as I like McCain but McCain made a critical error in choosing Palin as a his VP running mate and if he can mess up like that, well I'd hate to see what he'd do if he were President.

[Random Encounter]

You're definitely right, I'm not the best trollbot out there. Unfortunately the left appears to be pretty good at it lately. But like some sort of robot with his morality chip removed, that shit appears to fly unfettered around here. Excuse me for calling bullshit on it. You can't suspend critical thinking when it comes to your guy and the shit being spread by your side.


Or you could read this and the "sambo" threads first and see that some of us had already called bullshit on unfounded or unprovable rumor mongering.
Some of us liberal commie bastards do monitor the left for hypocrisy just as much as we do the right and call people on it. And amazingly enough we are able to do this in a civil manner without the intention of getting people riled up, which is where the troll label would be coming from. It is possible to tell someone they are being an asshole without acting like one yourself.

But I wouldn't ask a dittohead to try understanding the other guy's point of view or to try thinking for himself, that kind of hope is something that even Barack Obama's magical healing touch couldn't make me believe in. :tongue:

[The Theocrat of Poon-Tang]

Or you could read this and the "sambo" threads first and see that some of us had already called bullshit on unfounded or unprovable rumor mongering.
Some of us liberal commie bastards do monitor the left for hypocrisy just as much as we do the right and call people on it. And amazingly enough we are able to do this in a civil manner without the intention of getting people riled up, which is where the troll label would be coming from. It is possible to tell someone they are being an asshole without acting like one yourself.

But I wouldn't ask a dittohead to try understanding the other guy's point of view or to try thinking for himself, that kind of hope is something that even Barack Obama's magical healing touch couldn't make me believe in. :tongue:


Yeah, I saw a few people called bullshit on it, but the point is that everyone should have. Props to you if you did.

As for getting people riled up, well, this is the internet...so...bite me! It's fun! :tongue: Admit it, the world here would be (and is) much duller when I am not a part of it.

And dittohead? Come on, man. I like Rush and all but the last time I listened to his show was many, many moons ago.

[PWD]

And dittohead? Come on, man. I like Rush and all but the last time I listened to his show was many, many moons ago.

That kind of stupid doesn't come out in the wash.

[Singularity]

That kind of stupid doesn't come out in the wash.

Hey, I occasionally like to listen to Rush.... So I can laugh at him! :lol:

[Utrecht]

Hey, I occasionally like to listen to Rush.... So I can laugh at him! :lol:


which in all honestly is all that you can do - and shake your head at the callers.

[PWD]

which in all honestly is all that you can do - and shake your head at the callers.

Shaking your head is wasted calories. Better to get out the woodchipper and start mulching.

[Name Lips]

And she's still dodging the press... Her first time meeting with foreign leaders (except for her extensive experience governing a state that's really really close to Russia, of course!), and reporters aren't allowed to watch. Photographers are allowed, and a TV crew, but not the reporters themselves who might actually, you know, write an article about it.

So we'll get a brief video of her shaking hands or something, and some nice photo-op pics of her standing around next to them, but nothing of substance.

I can't believe people complain Obama is all style and no substance but somehow they tolerate Palin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26853766/

[Utrecht]

I can't believe people complain Obama is all style and no substance but somehow they tolerate Palin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26853766/

This one is very simple - Obama is at the top of the ticket - Palin is at the bottom....

[AZRogue]

And she's still dodging the press... Her first time meeting with foreign leaders (except for her extensive experience governing a state that's really really close to Russia, of course!), and reporters aren't allowed to watch. Photographers are allowed, and a TV crew, but not the reporters themselves who might actually, you know, write an article about it.

So we'll get a brief video of her shaking hands or something, and some nice photo-op pics of her standing around next to them, but nothing of substance.

I can't believe people complain Obama is all style and no substance but somehow they tolerate Palin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26853766/ (http://www.kaytastrophe.com/vb/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com% 2Fid%2F26853766%2F)

Obama wants to be President of the United States. Palin is a vp nominee.

Even so, Palin's failure to talk to the general press is going to hurt her, IMO. Will she be treated roughly? Certainly. I still think it is something she has to do if she wants to demonstrate that she can play with the big boys.

Frankly, I don't think she has much to worry about. As long as she watches what she says and doesn't become flustered she will come out ahead. She's a charismatic woman and a lot of people WANT to like her.

[qstor]

Lady Fury mentioned wolf numbers.

Sarah Palin's site has around 7700

http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wolf.main

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_Wolf

Wikipedia says 7500. My GoogleFu couldn't drag up anymore sites with population figures.

I've never hunted and never will, but I can really respect hunting for population control. In Maryland suburban areas like where I live has had an over population of white tailed deer. I think more deer get killed by cars than hunters in our area. So sometimes cops with sniper rifles have to kill the deer IIRC.

As for voting. I've never voted for a Republican. Lady Fury, never under estimate the power of the light side lol.

Mike