McCain bounce is HUGE

[FeatsofClay]

These numbers show McCain with a bigger bounce than others, but every poll I have seen since the convention shows him ahead. And this is Daily KOS!

I will state again- As we get closer to election America's inherent racism will kick in and this will be a loss for the Dems and most likely a blowout. I am not saying everyone who votes McCain does so for racists reasons, that is stupid. But I think it will be a reason for many.


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To Obama
Body: You better keep your black,white,Muslim, Arab what ever the fuck your are , ass out of WV we don't want you here. you're not welcome here.


CHARLESTON, W. Va.
(AP) -- Charleston will serve as Barack Obama's West Virginia campaign headquarters.


State Democratic Party executive director Tom Vogel says Obama's Campaign for Change will open its state headquarters on Monday in downtown Charleston.


Other campaign offices are planned in Morgantown, the northern and eastern panhandles and southern West Virginia.


Vogel says the Charleston headquarters will have a paid staff of 22, including 15 field coordinators. Vogel will serve as the West Virginia coordinator for the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign.


State Democratic Party Chairman Nick Casey says Obama's campaign isn't going take West Virginia for granted


It is all quite scary.

[Hatter]

It's still too close to call.

[obryn]

Convention bounces are always huge.

Look for it to get more even once the debates start.

-O

[Ink Bleeder]

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

[obryn]

;)

-O

[AZRogue]

Haha, I like that pic.

I don't think Obama is out; far from it. One thing, though, that many probably don't realize is that the majority of the country, IMO, are pretty conservative, though they might not think of themselves that way. I think it's just that much harder for a Democrat to win than a Republican. One point on the Dems' side, though, is the environment created by the public perception of President Bush. That's some powerful mojo, right there, and more than counters the general conservative slant of the "common man".

What Obama needs to do is not focus so much on Palin, who is riding her "new" and "mysterious" horse as far is it will take her, and concentrate on what he can do for the economy. It was one of Bill Clinton's keys to winning, IMO, and he needs to make it his, as well.

[obryn]

Haha, I like that pic.
I was having a bad day, and it made me feel better. ;)

-O

[Singularity]

Why are we so worried here? According to MSNBC, Obama is still in the lead. The election isn't today anyway, they still have two months to get out there and convince people to vote for them, so right now its way too early to tell what's going to happen.

[The Winslow]

I think McCain will win. Sarah Palin was a terribly efficient choice, her simplistic rhetorics and obvious irresponsibility nearly guarantee that; but in addition Barak Obama, by playing the international card, has scored major negative points.

[Utrecht]

.....Or could it be the fact that Obama is mostlyrhetoric and very little substance and many Americans are waking up to that fact - and during the primary cycle they have had a chance to build him up in their minds into the perfect candidate (which is something Palin is experincing - and will also experience a similar fall to earth) - but now that details about his past (his participation in the Chicago Political Machine) and that he has to actually define positions, people are re-evaluating positions.

as far as American inherent racism - please - are their asshats, yes - but to tar and feather a country because of some sense that white folks are uneasy - bah and you are also neglecting the fact that many African Americans will vote for Obama simply because he is black - effectively cancelling any white flight.

Finally, Obama is by no means out of this - but his campaign the last 4 weeks has not helped (Biden... Biden????)

[FeatsofClay]

as far as American inherent racism - please - are their asshats, yes - but to tar and feather a country because of some sense that white folks are uneasy - bah and you are also neglecting the fact that many African Americans will vote for Obama simply because he is black - effectively cancelling any white flight.




I have to disagree. I bet I could name three dozen lifelong union men (all white) locally who have always voted Union Democrat who will be voting McCain this time because of race. Period. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205358612 It is MUCH easier to believe the previous link is the obvious asshat who feels this way. In reality it is white working class Americans who are fleeing the Democratic party this presidential election.

And how many of thos AAs who will vote for Obama "simply because he is black" were going to vote Republican? Did you see their convention? 2 black delegates form the whole damned country. 2.

[Name Lips]

I'm hoping the black vote will offset the racist vote. Many low-income blacks never bothered voting in the past but might show up this year to make history.

The good news is that, right now, Obama is ahead in electoral votes.

The bad news is he's been losing ground steadily.

Obama needs to do something big, soon. Something to excite people and get the buzz going again. Something like McCain did with Palin - people either loved her or hated her, but she grabbed the headlines and got huge amounts of buzz and excitement going for the republicans.

[Singularity]

I'm hoping the black vote will offset the racist vote. Many low-income blacks never bothered voting in the past but might show up this year to make history.

The good news is that, right now, Obama is ahead in electoral votes.

The bad news is he's been losing ground steadily.

Obama needs to do something big, soon. Something to excite people and get the buzz going again. Something like McCain did with Palin - people either loved her or hated her, but she grabbed the headlines and got huge amounts of buzz and excitement going for the republicans.

I'm going to have to agree. If you were to subtract Palin from the equation, McCain would still be looking like a pretty good candidate. Right now I dislike Palin to such a high degree that I really don't want her to have any real power over anything.

[Radu]

Though it really doesn't help your points, Lips, I gotta say that I think the "black voters will vote for obama because he's black" is just as distressing to me as "whitey don't like the black candidate."

Can't we fucking vote for someone based off of THEIR merits rather than the failure of their opponents or some stupid fucking cosmetic/superficial reason (a good speech giver, black, good looking, etc. to name a few)? For the first time in my life I may actually get to vote FOR someone rather than AGAINST their opponent. Doesn't that excite you?

[FeatsofClay]

For the first time in my life I may actually get to vote FOR someone rather than AGAINST their opponent. Doesn't that excite you?

Until you view the system it COULd. Then I look up and realize I am in a state where voting for Obama 10 times would still mean nothing. It is only exciting if you can get everyone to do it when your vote doesn't count.

Hillary was dead in the campaign waters and WV still went for her HUGE. Hillary got 66% after everyone else in the nation had counted her out. Onama got 25% in a three way contest with Edwards getting over 7% and he had already dropped out. 7% based largely on the fact that he is not a woman or black.

[Dr. Paragon]

Okay fine FOC, everybody is racist. And Since racism is according to you
the most important and powerful substance in America (in solid form it is
called: "Bigotonium") we can now finally wean ourselves off oil and convert all
our power needs to bigotonium reactors. You saved us all Feats'!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
:rolleyes:









Happy now?

[Dacke]

Okay fine FOC, everybody is racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

[FeatsofClay]

Okay fine FOC, everybody is racist. And Since racism is according to you the most important and powerful substance in America (in solid form it is
called: "Bigotonium") we can now finally wean ourselves off oil and convert all
our power needs to bigotonium reactors. You saved us all Feats'!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
:rolleyes:









Happy now?

Left with an inability to use facts, rational arguments or experience you become a snarky bitch, huh? How is that supposed to make me happy again?

Do you think something different happened in WV? Do you actually have a position, an argument or input? Would you like to see video of people exitting the polls and saying they didn't vote for him because of race? (or because he is muslim?)

What, exactly, is your point? Or are you incapable of making one so you just came in the thread to be a snarky little bitch?

[Name Lips]

FoC, you're forgetting that WV isn't representative of the US. I didn't even know racism existed until I learned about it in History class. I didn't know different colors of people had differnet labels for a long time (sometime in school, can't remember the grade). I didn't know there were racial characteristics people considered "Jewish" until I was in my 20s.

So learning to be a good, god-fearing, racist American has kind of been a slow process to me. I still don't really get it.

[FeatsofClay]

FoC, you're forgetting that WV isn't representative of the US. .

No, I am not. I am basing my view of my experiences living in Atlanta, Columbus, Chattanooga, Memphis, Indianapolis, Lexington, Erie and WV.

It is slightly worse here and I have pointed that out. I am more than just aware that WV is not representative, I have made that argument strongly here and elsewere.

My point that brought Dr. Paragon's head out fo his ass was SPECIFICALLY about WV. Showing it as the circumstance I am dealing with currently. This is far from saying WV is representative. But I have seen a very similar pattern in 7 states I have lived and worked in.

[Dr. Paragon]

My, my aren't we a serious one...
:tongue:

The whole damned republic is not in any way well represented by the shit
holes you mentioned. Not even the one I'm from. coughChattanoogacough.

Obama's campaign is suffering more from not getting in there and
making the Republicans really pay for their shitty dishonest tactics.

In football it's called being "Hungry". Obama and crew need to show some
real hunger and go in there and make the other team bleed.
:mad:

[Name Lips]

In football it's called being "Hungry". Obama and crew need to show some
real hunger and go in there and make the other team bleed.
:mad:

But they need to do it on real issues, not the trivial shit both candidates have been wallowing in recently.

[SpikeyFreak]

I want Obama to win, simply because his views are more in line with what I believe. And honestly, the fact that he's (half) black does have some impact. It really does make me root for him.

Here's something I haven't seen discussed much. It isn't Obama's race that's going to cause him to lose. It's his "connection" to Islam. People are stupid. Just one will out-of-context statement, and everyone is screaming that he really *IS* a muslim (gasp!). And since everyone is so sure that muslim = evil, he won't be elected.

As an aside, I like how every time a candidate says that something that sounds like a good idea, the other party says that it's rhetoric.

The whole Palin thing is crazy too. Normally I wouldn't give a damn who the VP is, but since McCain is so friggen old, I'm actually worried she would end up president, and the hypocrisy that just drips off of her and all of the republican pundits scares the shit out of me.

"It's Jamie Lynn's parents' fault. All their fault! They're horrible parents. Wait, Palin who?"

--Fair Weather Voter Spikey

[Harry]

I just thought to check this site again today:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Still showing Obama safely ahead.

[FeatsofClay]

My, my aren't we a serious one...
:tongue:

The whole damned republic is not in any way well represented by the shit
holes you mentioned. Not even the one I'm from. coughChattanoogacough.

Obama's campaign is suffering more from not getting in there and
making the Republicans really pay for their shitty dishonest tactics.


My, my, aren't you an ignorant ass in denial....


Really? Under 5 minutes, here is PA, OH, and New York-

From New York-

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nyc_woman_ill_never_vote_for_a_black_man_for_presi dent_/

NYC Woman: ‘I’ll Never Vote for a Black Man for President’
James Joyner | Tuesday, May 20, 2008

60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl reports that, “I went to a very fancy-schmancy dinner party in New York the other night. And a woman at our table, in so-called liberal New York City, announced to our table that she would never vote for a black to be in the White House.” From this data point she concludes that people are feeling more free to express racist thoughts for the first time in years and wonders what it’ll mean for Barack Obama.


PA, form the Governor-

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/12/pa-gov-ed-rendell-some-white-voters-not-ready-to-elect-black-candidate/

Pa. Gov. Ed Rendell: Some White Voters ‘Not Ready’ to Elect Black Candidate

Surveys back my position as far as I can see-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?ex=1376020800&en=c34e85d3525968e3&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not.

Also, remember that during the Democratic primaries, up to 20 percent of white voters in some states said that the race of the candidate was important to them.

Ohio-http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/ohio.race/index.html

Local Democratic Chairman Randy Bashem says some of those reached by the phone banks say they simply aren't ready, or willing, to vote for a black man.

Did you read the thread about the young college Republicans?

Please, show me this same level of proof that the country ISN"T this way. Snark, bland denials and empty insistence mean nothing.

EVERY study backs me up. Put 5 whites and a black at a table. Have a white come in to explain something. 60% less eye contact with the black. Blacks with the same diseases and insurance get less time with their doctors and less treatment. Denying it just makes you look like you have blinders on.

Whites will hold a retail or office door for a white female for 2.8 seconds, .7 for a black female. Whites evacuate parking spaces quicker for whites than for non-whites.


Think about the electoral system. It only takes about 2-3 percent who feel this way to sway ANY election.