Christian Domestic Discipline?

[Glass]

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html

Anybody seen this before? My girlfriend and I are wondering if this is legitimate, or if it's a satire/poke-fun-at site like some others(I think it was Perry Bible Fellowship?).

[Enk]

It's real, as far as I can tell. I know that there's a subculture out there with an OTK lifestyle.

[Atropine Mama]

Fucking SICK. :mad:

[Varaj]

I've seen a few other sites dedicated to the subject. I'm inclined to believe it.

[Atticus_of_Amber]

Soem interesting comments and links on this here (http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/archives/002774.html).

[Sobek]

Errm... Weird. Well, I suppose it's less disturbing than Fred Phelps.

One of the lines on there reminded me that I never understood the whole spanking = erotic thing, either.

[Glass]

Errm... Weird. Well, I suppose it's less disturbing than Fred Phelps.

One of the lines on there reminded me that I never understood the whole spanking = erotic thing, either.
Which line was that?

[pandiculator]

Fucking SICK. :mad:
How so? If two people choose this path, and seriously choose it, they're both going to become more spiritually and romantically close to each other.

Sure, you can view it as degrading towards the woman, but what if that woman is really getting off from being the submissive member?

I don't mean to be antagonizing you, but with your ideas on sexual liberation...maybe this is a way for 'good little Christians' to explore some of that sexuality without feeling like they're sinning against God.

'cause, let me tell ya, it's a real mood-killer.

[Droid101]

How so? If two people choose this path, and seriously choose it, they're both going to become more spiritually and romantically close to each other.

Or... it's bringing back sexism in a big way. Either/or. :rolleyes:

[Iron Jenny Kidd]

Oh my.

I did enjoy "The Feminism of the Mothers is the Destruction of the Daughters". Here's a blip...

This influence of feminism is a serious problem. Because the Feminism of the Mothers is the Destruction of the Daughters, we daughters who have not been aborted are in just as much danger of being destroyed — by the lies of feminism. The lies which tell us we should be independent from our parents and out from under their authority, training for a career or looking for our ministry outside of the context of our home and family. But Proverbs 14:12 says: “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” You see, we are in a battle; and it is not enough that we have survived abortion — we must also survive the culture of feminism. We must learn to recognize the lies of feminism and reject them. We must pull up from its roots the tree that produces abortion.

I particularly enjoy how she mentions being an abortion survivor. :rolleyes:
Loons, the lot of 'em.

[Dacke]

I particularly enjoy how she mentions being an abortion survivor. :rolleyes:
Was the coathanger too short or something?

[Iron Jenny Kidd]

Was the coathanger too short or something?Seems that way, yeah. I mean, she was lucky, considering how many girls of her generation were taken out by proper length coathangers.

[Northcott]

This influence of feminism is a serious problem.

Bah. What the fuck does she know? She's just a woman. :D

[Snatch]

I didn't expect the last paragraph.

Though we recognize by its very nature this subject can be erotic, we will keep this website as clean and wholesome as possible. However, we will not seek to deny the erotic nature of some CDD marriages as we believe it is a natural consequence of following God's plan. After all, He created eroticism to be enjoyed inside a Christian marriage.

A strange mix of liberal and conservative thinking ( and I use the terms in the broadest philosophical sense).

[Prorpger]

Wooo this is nice:

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/articlesmenmaintenance.html

Daily spankings just so she remember how bad it is when you really have to slap the shit out of her so she'll think twice before... what... burning the meat loaf... going out with her friends... voting?


<EDIT> Bottomless bloomers? Got some ass showing in there as well. I think it's all a bit to kink to be ligit.

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/heirloom.html


CLASSIC!!! 'Frozen Pea' Necklace! It took me a minute to get the joke but it's when her ass is all red and swollen she puts a bag of frozen peas on it!


And on top of that you have spanking porn!

http://shop.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/category.sc?categoryId=14


Rated by level of spanking!

[mollygrue]

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html

Anybody seen this before? My girlfriend and I are wondering if this is legitimate, or if it's a satire/poke-fun-at site like some others(I think it was Perry Bible Fellowship?).
www.ThePureBed.com http://healthystrokes.com/index.html and lets not forget http://www.book22.com/merchant2/

jenny is right. theyre all loons. some more so than others.

[mollygrue]

if i am remembering correctly, it is in the talmuds teachings that it is the duty of the husband to satisfy the wife sexually. and that sex is supposed to be enjoyable. not all believers are fundi lit wack os

and i am 43 (next week). i remember when it wasnt "safe and legal" --joking aside--you ever see what happens to a girl with a coat hanger?

or knitting needles? or bleach? or comet cleanser? or when she throws herself down the stairs?

or she drinks pennyroyal?

seriously--if it doesnt kill her--she is damn lucky. and girls risked it. because they had to. a lot of poor women were trapped, desperate: boyfriends who said they would kill the girl if she didnt "get rid of it"

girls who got pregnant were expelled from school even married women who became prgenant were often fired--pregancy in the workplace being unacceptable ( teachers especially). parents kicked them out into the street. thats the reality--that my generation faced.

and any fundi lit who condems the girl--says she should adopt the child out--should damn well have a few adopted children at home!

(my sister does by the way. she is a god fearing southern baptist down in texas--and she has adopted three crack babies of mixed parentage--and they are her pride and joy.)

and yeh-we hit a nerve here. i waitressed and i worked in healthcare most of my working life--women tell each other their stories....

[Northcott]

(my sister does by the way. she is a god fearing southern baptist down in texas--and she has adopted three crack babies of mixed parentage--and they are her pride and joy.)

That's so very, very cool. :cool:

[Glass]

I agree with Northcott, that's very, very cool.

Having looked over the site more, yeah, it's screwed up from the angle that it takes, although if the woman wants to submit to it that way, and it's something she really enjoys and that fulfills her, then good for her, I suppose.

[Enk]

if i am remembering correctly, it is in the talmuds teachings that it is the duty of the husband to satisfy the wife sexually. and that sex is supposed to be enjoyable. not all believers are fundi lit wack os..

Even fundi christians get in on the act here: In Hebrews there's a throwaway verse about how the marriage bed is undefiled. Basically, sex within the confines of marriage is "Aaaaaaalllllllllll Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!" [/quagmire]

[Snatch]

if i am remembering correctly, it is in the talmuds teachings that it is the duty of the husband to satisfy the wife sexually. and that sex is supposed to be enjoyable. not all believers are fundi lit wack os

and i am 43 (next week). { ... }

and yeh-we hit a nerve here. i waitressed and i worked in healthcare most of my working life--women tell each other their stories....

Is this the feminie version of doc? Because the posting style is pretty similiar.

[Sobek]

Which line was that?

The last "bullet".


Eroticism:

Though we recognize by its very nature this subject can be erotic, we will keep this website as clean and wholesome as possible. However, we will not seek to deny the erotic nature of some CDD marriages as we believe it is a natural consequence of following God's plan. After all, He created eroticism to be enjoyed inside a Christian marriage.

[Ancalagon]

these kind of sites bother me - it's like kink infused with dogma. You're kinky. don't try to justify it with ideology and religion, just enjoy it!

The dogma bothers me a lot because I see kink - and sex in general - as being very wide and varied. These people are basically laying down a narrow path and strongly implying that deviating from it is wrong. What if the husband wants to get spanked?

Ancalagon

[Northcott]

What if the husband wants to get spanked?


Then he ain't right with Jesus! Damn it, Anc, don't you pay attention in class? :mad:

[Snatch]

What if the husband wants to get spanked?


Then I would suspect that the person should be here (http://www.1stchoicespanking.com/) instead of at CDD.

Disclaimer: I am not a member of 1stchoice. Honestly.

[Dacke]

if i am remembering correctly, it is in the talmuds teachings that it is the duty of the husband to satisfy the wife sexually. and that sex is supposed to be enjoyable. not all believers are fundi lit wack os
455
1 Co 7:13, The husband must give to his wife what she has a right to expect.

From the Brick Testament (http://www.kaytastrophe.com/vb/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebricktestam ent.com%2Fepistles_of_paul%2Finstructions_on_marri age%2F1co07_03a.html).

[Prorpger]

these kind of sites bother me - it's like kink infused with dogma. You're kinky. don't try to justify it with ideology and religion, just enjoy it!

The dogma bothers me a lot because I see kink - and sex in general - as being very wide and varied. These people are basically laying down a narrow path and strongly implying that deviating from it is wrong. What if the husband wants to get spanked?

Ancalagon


My problem comes in when someone would use the dogma to get their partner to participate in the kinky shit they otherwise would not be into. Basically guilting into getting spanked.

[Sobek]

My problem comes in when someone would use the dogma to get their partner to participate in the kinky shit they otherwise would not be into. Basically guilting into getting spanked.

Oh, come now. If you loved me, you'd gargle with my semen.

[pandiculator]

Or... it's bringing back sexism in a big way. Either/or. :rolleyes:

Sexism? Well...if people choose that lifestyle for themselves and don't make a big fuss about pushing it onto other people, why such the vitriol?

You bet that I think it's stupid, and wrong, and goes against things that I believe in to my very core.

I also believe, however, that some people need this sort of thing. Or, they want this sort of thing. Also, this represents a pretty small minority, I imagine.

Are sadism and masochism, where the woman is the dominatrix, going to incite the ultimate feminist uprising and place men as true second-class citizen? Probably (hopefully!) not.

And yes, I would equate this as being roughly on par with S&M practices, in that they are both what I would consider sexual deviancy. True, CDD does have other aspects to it...but, does a dominatrix truly stop being one to her slaves outside of the bedroom?

EDIT: Decided not to be a jackass, after all.

[mollygrue]

hey-snatch -didnt you just mention that over at item 23 on the D-Dog thread place?
ive heard this a couple times now--should i be concerned?

truthfully tho, i suspect it has to do w/ age. doc is apx same age and has some similar back ground experiences.

just mentioning this lest someone begins to think that my persona is simply doc "getting in touch with his feminine side" -- ( my feminine side is still in priliminary negotiations)

[Atticus_of_Amber]

these kind of sites bother me - it's like kink infused with dogma. You're kinky. don't try to justify it with ideology and religion, just enjoy it!

The dogma bothers me a lot because I see kink - and sex in general - as being very wide and varied. These people are basically laying down a narrow path and strongly implying that deviating from it is wrong. What if the husband wants to get spanked?

Ancalagon

That was precisely the point made by Brian Flemming in the blog I linked to.

Because I don't get enough angry email

Noticed in this ScienceBlogs roundup that, with varying degrees of outrage and squirm, Hemant, Greta Christina and Infidelis Maximus have been posting about Christian Domestic Discipline, the practice of Christian men spanking their wives to keep them in a state of submission.

Naturally, I intend to defend it.

Or, at least, I thought I'd point out that this sort of power arrangement is not primarily a Christian thing. It's just kink. In the case of CDD, it's just kink with a side order of Bible.

Lifestyle kink is a polarizing subject (great for dinner parties and prayer meetings). It presents myriad problems for any ideology, such as feminism, that places equality as the highest value. Equality is decidedly not the highest value for many kinksters, and that fact pits their individual freedom to seek happiness against the feminist's desire that they conform to the ideal and stop making everyone else so goddamn uncomfortable.

But the subject in question is lifestyle kink, not Christianity. Christianity over the ages has certainly made its own special contributions to kinkdom, to say the least. But the religion didn't invent kink. There are lots of atheists doing this stuff, too.

Or so I hear.

And later:

Hideous kinky Christians

As I predicted, my post below about Christian Domestic Discipline generated some email, but none of it has actually been angry (dammit).

One emailer took issue with my categorization of CDD:

You referred to CDD as 'kink', and I think you may be off there. When kink (the kind we are discussing here) doesn't involve meaningful consent, it is just abuse.

'Meaningful' can be tricky though.

Yes, consent is a tricky matter when it comes to someone who wants to give up consent. I certainly wouldn't claim it's simple. And automatically applying the label "victim" to someone who has willingly given up day-to-day consent in her relationship strikes me as a bit too simple. It disallows the possibility that she may be happiest in this kind of power arrangement -- or, worse, suggests that our comfort is more important than her happiness.

Of course, my main point was that this discussion of kink and consent has virtually nothing to do with Christianity. One emailer felt that Christianity could be an aggravating factor that turned kink into exploitation, however:

I think what has so many people freaked out about Christian Domestic Discipline is it's such an unselfconscious kink. From what I've seen, the CDDers seem to be unable to admit they're doing kinky sex. What they're doing is sanctioned by God, goddamnit! It fairly well guarantees there won't be any sense of "let's not be stupid about this." That gives it the potential to be really creepy.

"Sanctioned by God" is not necessarily a more dangerous explanation than "the way of the natural world" or "the way things should be" or even "what works for us" or "what everyone else at the Renaissance Faire is doing." If you take away the woman's agency -- in other words, consider her a child without the ability to make her own rational (and irrational) decisions -- then, yes, it is obviously highly exploitative to trick her into believing in a vengeful supreme being who has determined her place in the world whether she likes it or not. That kind of brainwashing, which is routine for many religions, is obviously abuse.

On the other hand, if two adults have freely decided on a TPE relationship and simply dress it up with Biblical justifications, it's hard to see how the addition of Bible verses suddenly renders this relationship abusive. Kinky people are allowed to believe in fairies and gods, too.

Finally, the following comment is not for the squeamish:

And the best part about that CDD site is that, in the store where they're selling these crotchless bloomers, the sizes are HUGE!

Apparently a size 10 is "Extra Small" in the world of CDD.

And the available bloomer sizes go to "Extra Large" and beyond.

The implications are staggering.

He basically said everything I thought.

[mollygrue]

That was precisely the point made by Brian Flemming in the blog I linked to.



And later:



He basically said everything I thought.
thanks for bringing this over--very well said. and--againnot for the squeamish--your are right about the bloomers.

there is a shoppe like that here that advertises --twitch-twitch--crotchless panties in sizes up to 6xxx---

makes me feel all dainty and petite tho----