The Vagina Institute

[Maynard G. Krebs]

Odd little pay-site (http://www.vaginainstitute.com/), obviously NWS, with many, many close-ups of teh poosay.

And, for perspective, some critique (http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2007/07/vagina_institute):
Honey! Your vagina needs a mint
The Vagina Institute purports to provide a public service to curious women. But Samara Ginsberg detects a rather different agenda.


How does your vagina compare to those of other women? Have you ever thought about it? Is it too big? Too hairy? Too ugly? Too smelly? Too loose? Well, you needn’t worry about it any longer because US-based website The Vagina Institute will be able to tell you just how you measure up.

According to the website: “The Vagina Institute specializes in collecting and processing, data and information about the vulva and vagina…The overall appearance of the vulva, statistics of vagina size and defining what is feminine and what is not!”

The website consists of a plethora of information regarding what a “normal” vagina looks like, allowing you to compare yourself to “a norm” and reassuring you of how hideous your vagina is if it isn’t quite up to their standards. For the princely sum of $17.95 a month you may enter their “members area”, where thousands of pictures of both airbrushed, porn star vaginas and normal, God-forbid hairy ones are categorised, so that members can be educated as to what a “feminine” vagina looks like. Throughout the site it is repeatedly emphasised that a woman possessed of an “ugly and deformed” vagina will be sexually dysfunctional and shunned by society.

Their ideal is a hairless, porn-star pussy that’s barely more than a minuscule orifice. The last time my vagina looked like this was when I was 10 years old.

There is actually a quiz on the site where you are invited to submit your “measurements” in order to get a score out of 100, based on what they think the “perfect vagina” looks like. For starters, the questions themselves are not exactly user-friendly. “What is the diameter of your vagina?” - what am I supposed to do, stick a pair of Vernier calipers down there? But as I fill in the quiz, having to make educated guesses on several criteria, not having a dipstick to hand, I am ashamed to discover that I really, really hope to score highly. Despite the fact that I have a good relationship with my genitals, the fact that I have nothing but contempt for this hideous bunch of quasi-scientific misogynists (whoever they are), the fact that my boyfriends have had nothing but good things to say about this part of my anatomy, and despite the fact that I consider myself a strong, confident woman, I want to be told that I have an attractive vagina. For this (and not, as the site intends, for my vagina itself) I am ashamed of myself.

read more... (http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2007/07/vagina_institute)

Assuming you have one, do you worry about the aesthetics of your va-jayjay? Does it keep you up at night? Has anyone ever said anything good or bad about it?

And for a little funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYXlK-Dktnk

[shabois]

I think it is a load of crap that they charge for this site! I mean the whole point of the internet is to get this kind of shit for free!! But I do agree it is somewhat subversive in how it implies to women that they might have an inferior pussy.

[Maynard G. Krebs]

I think it is a load of crap that they charge for this site! I mean the whole point of the internet is to get this kind of shit for free!! But I do agree it is somewhat subversive in how it implies to women that they might have an inferior pussy.

Rating inferiority/superiority in vaginas is a funny thing. Guys can conveniently be compared in terms of length, width, circumsizing, etc... Girls sort of have a lot more going on there, visually. Obviously there's the whole different strokes for different folks thing going on, but surely there's some accepted standard of comparison.

Guys fall in love with their dicks pretty easily and casually. Girls and their va-jayjays not so much so. Is this a product of mainstream genital shame-mongering like the feminists like to rail about, or is there something more deeply psychological going on there?

[Stealthblade]

I'd say that there's a good chunk of genital shame mongering going on, but the other chunk of it is that vaginas are actually quite gross at times. Let me rephrase that... Vaginas are fine and dandy, but through a cruel twist of anatomy, vaginas are attached to uteruses. Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references, but va-jayjays are certified hazmat facilities on average of once a month for at least half of the female human's lifespan, and potentially rather grody at other times, as well.

There's nothing intrinsically disgusting about a vagina, in my opinion. But a vagina oozing an unholy mixture of blood, mucus, and shredded tissue pretty much tops my list of "10 Things I Don't Want To Be Anywhere Near" and a vagina with an overabundance of candidia (a yeast infection to you and me) is a close competitor.

And this coming from someone who owns a vagina. I can only imagine what it would be like for the non-equipped to be confronted by such an organ.

[Atropine Mama]

:jaded:

Wow, Stealthblade. That was quite the introductory post. Between the crap about kids and the vagina/self hate thing you've got going on, you're off to a great start here! :irked:

[Stealthblade]

Just because I don't find bleeding from the crotch every now and then particularly appealing doesn't mean I'm a self-hating vaginaphobe. I can enjoy my body and my femininity without being enamored by every squelching secretion which issues forth from any given orifice at any given time.

Moreover, I can enjoy hyperbole without being a self-hating vaginaphobe. If vaginas were -actually- as disgusting as all that, no man would touch one (hence ruling out the continuation of the species) and all females would gross themselves into a coma at menarche.

As for children... Well, I enjoy hyperbole as much as I disenjoy the thought of procreating. Don't hate on me for my reproductive choices, and I won't hate on you for yours.

[bunny]

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references, but va-jayjays are certified hazmat facilities on average of once a month for at least half of the female human's lifespan, and potentially rather grody at other times, as well.

There's nothing intrinsically disgusting about a vagina, in my opinion. But a vagina oozing an unholy mixture of blood, mucus, and shredded tissue pretty much tops my list of "10 Things I Don't Want To Be Anywhere Near" and a vagina with an overabundance of candidia (a yeast infection to you and me) is a close competitor.


I think you may have just outed yourself as a gay male. :eek:

[Dr. Paragon]

I think you may have just outed yourself as a gay male. :eek:

Quit reading my teleprompter.
:D

[Maynard G. Krebs]

I'm usually pretty grossed out by the stuff I pick/blow out of my nostrils, but damn if I don't have a handsome nose!

[mollygrue]

Just because I don't find bleeding from the crotch every now and then particularly appealing doesn't mean I'm a self-hating vaginaphobe. I can enjoy my body and my femininity without being enamored by every squelching secretion which issues forth from any given orifice at any given time.

Moreover, I can enjoy hyperbole without being a self-hating vaginaphobe. If vaginas were -actually- as disgusting as all that, no man would touch one (hence ruling out the continuation of the species) and all females would gross themselves into a coma at menarche.

As for children... Well, I enjoy hyperbole as much as I disenjoy the thought of procreating. Don't hate on me for my reproductive choices, and I won't hate on you for yours.
what i especially dislike is the dreaded "annual"--have you ever really LOOKED at a speculum and how it is used?--and techniques vary from gentle and considerate to ---in up to the shoulder, roto rooter abrubt. ( sounds like a few of my boy friends actually--but at least they bought dinner first and didnt make me wear a stupid paper dress...well, just the once anyway)

and i have been in the labor room-during both "natural " childbirth and durinig my daughters two c sections. there are some serious design flaws in the system!

i dont care how often you read nancy friday, or books like our bodies ourselves, there are some "inconvenient truths" associated with the reproductive organs.

and i enjoy the playground aspect very much indeed--just wish more time had been spent in research and developement of the software.

[Brynja]

I'd say that there's a good chunk of genital shame mongering going on, but the other chunk of it is that vaginas are actually quite gross at times. Let me rephrase that... Vaginas are fine and dandy, but through a cruel twist of anatomy, vaginas are attached to uteruses. Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references, but va-jayjays are certified hazmat facilities on average of once a month for at least half of the female human's lifespan, and potentially rather grody at other times, as well.

There's nothing intrinsically disgusting about a vagina, in my opinion. But a vagina oozing an unholy mixture of blood, mucus, and shredded tissue pretty much tops my list of "10 Things I Don't Want To Be Anywhere Near" and a vagina with an overabundance of candidia (a yeast infection to you and me) is a close competitor.

And this coming from someone who owns a vagina. I can only imagine what it would be like for the non-equipped to be confronted by such an organ.

Do you hate yourself?

Seriously?

[Varaj]

I'd say that there's a good chunk of genital shame mongering going on, but the other chunk of it is that vaginas are actually quite gross at times. Let me rephrase that... Vaginas are fine and dandy, but through a cruel twist of anatomy, vaginas are attached to uteruses. Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references, but va-jayjays are certified hazmat facilities on average of once a month for at least half of the female human's lifespan, and potentially rather grody at other times, as well.

There's nothing intrinsically disgusting about a vagina, in my opinion. But a vagina oozing an unholy mixture of blood, mucus, and shredded tissue pretty much tops my list of "10 Things I Don't Want To Be Anywhere Near" and a vagina with an overabundance of candidia (a yeast infection to you and me) is a close competitor.

And this coming from someone who owns a vagina. I can only imagine what it would be like for the non-equipped to be confronted by such an organ.

Issues.

[Atropine Mama]

Oh, so when you say something stupid it's hyperrrrrbole. I get it. Well, let me address your hyperbole point by point so we can all see why it's not hyperbole in the slightest but rather that you're not really right in the head.

Vaginas are fine and dandy, but through a cruel twist of anatomy, vaginas are attached to uteruses. Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

You're one of those child-free morons, aren't you? If you begrudge the female reproductive parts of your body their natural functions and then say callous things about the potential activity they're there for, jesus christ, yeah, people are gonna conclude that you have problems.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references, but va-jayjays are certified hazmat facilities on average of once a month for at least half of the female human's lifespan, and potentially rather grody at other times, as well.

Backpedal faster. You're not kidding, you're being vile and just don't want to admit it. Vaginas are no more hazardous that once a month than your mouth is full time, and yet I don't see you having problems with using it to slobber the knob of your child-free vagina-hating god.

Grody? WTF is that? Are you a time-travelling Gloria Steinem wannabe? I hear she got laid and mellowed out. You should look into it.

There's nothing intrinsically disgusting about a vagina, in my opinion. But a vagina oozing an unholy mixture of blood, mucus, and shredded tissue pretty much tops my list of "10 Things I Don't Want To Be Anywhere Near" and a vagina with an overabundance of candidia (a yeast infection to you and me) is a close competitor.

Yay for you, don't earn your red wings. Take care of your vagina and stop practicing bad hygeine and you won't have to worry about the yeast infections, either. Oh, wait, you're too busy ignoring your much-hated vagina to take care of it. Really, are you forgetting about the entire rest of the time in a woman's cycle when it isn't menstruating and the rest of her, well, life, when it isn't infected? Dwell on the negatives much?

Oh, and about the blood, it's just blood, fer chrissakes. No different than the blood from a cut on your arm. Grow up. Mucus, what, you don't blow your nose? Tissue, jesus, you must throw up again when you throw up. Most adults have long since come to terms with their bodily functions. I suggest you contact your school nurse tomorrow after the bell rings and ask her to explain some of these things to you again.

And this coming from someone who owns a vagina. I can only imagine what it would be like for the non-equipped to be confronted by such an organ.

Once again, most people with penises are just fine with vaginas. Like 'em, in fact. Spend their whole lives thinking about them, even. Some of the penis-owners might even *gasp* voluntarily touch one! Or even two!

*faints*

Just because I don't find bleeding from the crotch every now and then particularly appealing doesn't mean I'm a self-hating vaginaphobe. I can enjoy my body and my femininity without being enamored by every squelching secretion which issues forth from any given orifice at any given time.

I don't find it appealing, either. This is why I have Mirena, besides not having kids for five years I don't have periods, either. But I have come to terms with the fact that I have a reproductive system and that its pitfalls are a trade-off for being an adult.

Nor am I enamored with my vagina (or its secretions). It's a tool that I use to access the sexual powerhouse that is my brain. I like having that tool.

Moreover, I can enjoy hyperbole without being a self-hating vaginaphobe. If vaginas were -actually- as disgusting as all that, no man would touch one (hence ruling out the continuation of the species) and all females would gross themselves into a coma at menarche.

Backpedaling, again? You have somewhere to go behind you, don't you? Perhaps you should just conclude that your attempt to utilize hyperbole correctly has failed.

As for children... Well, I enjoy hyperbole as much as I disenjoy the thought of procreating. Don't hate on me for my reproductive choices, and I won't hate on you for yours.

Where have I done such a thing? You come barreling in here full-on hating the kids and the typically preferred method of incubating said kids, and expect people not to take that as a judgement on them? Please. I'm convinced. Go back to Child-Free on LiveJournal where you can commiserate with other hypocritical hate-filled narcissistic entitlement junkies.

[Stealthblade]

Aight, I'm feeling up to a challenge tonight. Here we go!


Oh, so when you say something stupid it's hyperrrrrbole. I get it. Well, let me address your hyperbole point by point so we can all see why it's not hyperbole in the slightest but rather that you're not really right in the head.

So I say something you don't like, and you automatically assume I said it because I'm "not really right in the head". Okiedokie. Just remember what happens when you assume...


You're one of those child-free morons, aren't you? If you begrudge the female reproductive parts of your body their natural functions and then say callous things about the potential activity they're there for, jesus christ, yeah, people are gonna conclude that you have problems.

Wow, didn't I already tell you that we should each leave the other's reproductive choices alone? For the record, I am indeed childless. With 6.7 billion Homo sapiens currently on the planet, I feel it's the only ethical choice.


Vaginas are no more hazardous that once a month than your mouth is full time,

Given that the mouth is one of the more germ-infested locales of the average healthy human body, I fail to see the insult here.

and yet I don't see you having problems with using it to slobber the knob of your child-free vagina-hating god.

There's only one knob that I slobber, as you so crudely put it. He is mortal just like me, and likes my vagina very well, thank you.

Grody? WTF is that? Are you a time-travelling Gloria Steinem wannabe? I hear she got laid and mellowed out. You should look into it.

Think I'm sex-starved? Well my s/o would disagree, but if you insist on throwing out such a lame insult, I'll toss an equally lame one back at ya: it takes one to know one.

Take care of your vagina and stop practicing bad hygeine and you won't have to worry about the yeast infections, either.

Enjoying imagining my vagina, are we? Well that's fine, I don't mind being your "alone time" thoughts. FYI, hygiene is important, but yeast infections can crop up for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with how clean one is. Damp clothing, synthetics, and glycerine-based lube are also prime culprates. The cleanest most healthy vag in the world can't stand up to a day at the water park with a wet bathing suit.


Oh, wait, you're too busy ignoring your much-hated vagina to take care of it. Really, are you forgetting about the entire rest of the time in a woman's cycle when it isn't menstruating and the rest of her, well, life, when it isn't infected? Dwell on the negatives much?

Once again, you're making some big assumptions. Just because I don't particularly enjoy cramps, menses, or flora imbalances doesn't mean I hate or neglect my vagina.

The original comment I was replying to was musing on why women don't fall in love with their genetals as easily as men seem to. My answer, when you strip away all the bluster and bullshit I'm so widely known for, was "The social stigma associated with being female works in synergy with the fact that vaginas are not always the gardens of delight we'd like 'em to be".

But you were too busy testing out your knee-jerk flame reflex on what you ASS-U-ME'd I meant to ponder what I was actually saying.

S'ok, that happens a lot on the internet.

Oh, and about the blood, it's just blood, fer chrissakes. No different than the blood from a cut on your arm.

You're right. Blood is blood, no matter where it comes from. Blood is a biohazardous material. In fact, blood is pretty much the textbook definition of biohazardous material.

Grow up.

Now, you may be fine with contacting any random blood you happen across, but I value my HIV negative status, and I like my liver way too much to willingly expose myself to hepatitis, and so I'm not. My own blood is fine, that of a close family member in a pinch, but anyone else's? Not without gloves.


Mucus, what, you don't blow your nose?

Sure I do. But when I blow my nose, it's a voluntary activity and over in a couple seconds. Menses is involuntary, and of a bit longer term.

Tissue, jesus, you must throw up again when you throw up.

Not that it's relevant to the current discussion (though I think the current discussion got side tracked a while ago...) but I am slightly emetophobic. If I yak it's rather unpleasant, and I can't handle someone vomiting anywhere near me.

Vomit and menses are slightly different beasts, however. Vomit is a sign of ill health, while menses is generally considered an omen of good health. I agree with you in that they are similar in the "ick" factor, and I submit that chunky-style menses is more "ick" than the usual smooth-n-creamy.

Most adults have long since come to terms with their bodily functions.

I guess that makes me a member of the "most adults" category then, doesn't it? I've come to terms with the fact that my physical self is made of meat, probably more than most owing to my medical background. I don't have an object problem with what my body is and does, but I don't honestly believe that everything about it is hugs and puppies. I like my boyfriend, but I don't appreciate his pizza boxes and soda cans. I like my body, but I'm not enthralled with its leavings, either.

I suggest you contact your school nurse tomorrow after the bell rings and ask her to explain some of these things to you again.

Funny you should mention that, since I remember explaining things to the school "nurse" a time or two.

Once again, most people with penises are just fine with vaginas. Like 'em, in fact. Spend their whole lives thinking about them, even. Some of the penis-owners might even *gasp* voluntarily touch one! Or even two!

*faints*


See, now you're getting the hang of satyric hyperbole! Go ahead and try another one! :)


I don't find it appealing, either. This is why I have Mirena, besides not having kids for five years I don't have periods, either. But I have come to terms with the fact that I have a reproductive system and that its pitfalls are a trade-off for being an adult.

See, we actually agree here. If you thought that menstruation was all that wonderful you would have gone for a Paragard which often has the side effect of intensifying menstrual periods, rather than a Mirena which doesn't have the same longevity, but often has the side effect of reducing or eliminating periods.

Nor am I enamored with my vagina (or its secretions). It's a tool that I use to access the sexual powerhouse that is my brain. I like having that tool.

We agree again. I'm more of a clit girl myself, but vagina play is also fun.


Backpedaling, again? You have somewhere to go behind you, don't you? Perhaps you should just conclude that your attempt to utilize hyperbole correctly has failed.

I'd argue that it was more a failure to correctly judge my audience. My manner of speaking is very plain and oftentimes crude. My usual social circle knows, is OK with, and often enjoys that facet of my personality. I neglected to take into account that my audience here consists mainly of people who haven't been around me for years, and wouldn't read my words in the same spirit I typed them.

I'll try to be more... hmm... Politically correct doesn't have quite the right meaning, but it's close enough for the proverbial government work. I'll try to be more politically correct around here, at least until people get to know me better.



Where have I done such a thing?

Do you really need me to answer that? I think your comment about my "child-free vagina-hating god" pretty much covers that base right there, and your assumption that because I choose not to bear children automatically means I hate them adds a significant amount of icing.

I actually kind of like kids, in the right circumstances. For example, a lady brought her twins over to my house today, and the one she was not actively carrying was screaming its fool head off because Mamma wasn't paying attention to her. Mamma felt awful that her kid was making such a fuss, I told her "Hey, you're the mom. If it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother me" and actually thought the little critter's indignation at not getting 100% of mom 100% of the time was rather endearing.


You come barreling in here full-on hating the kids and the typically preferred method of incubating said kids, and expect people not to take that as a judgement on them? Please. I'm convinced. Go back to Child-Free on LiveJournal where you can commiserate with other hypocritical hate-filled narcissistic entitlement junkies.


From this thread and a couple others, I see that children are a real hotbutton issue for you. How about we agree not to mention children to each other specifically, and overlook any mention of children that the other makes? I think we'll both be much happier people for it.

[The Winslow]

Aight, I'm feeling up to a challenge tonight. Here we go!

Someone is picking up a fight with Belladonna. Where's the popcorn? Well, there's still a lot to munch on. :pretzel: :frenchfries: :pizza: :donut:

And let me fetch my umbrella for when the blood will start flying! :umbrella:

[bunny]

Stealthblade, darling, may I say STEP BACK. You know not of what you speak.
And I was being most honest when I said that your words gave you away as a gay male. You are speaking in a way that betrays a certain hatred for your girly bits.

Now if you chose to say instead, why play about the anus? Why do guys obsess about my ass? It produces such abborhant things. And if they pay too hard, well then when I try to perform the proper functions... it hurts and bleeds-- Well then yes. I would have all sympathy.


HOWEVER

You chose to go after one of my favourite parts of the human anamoty.

You see, shortly after my first period, my vagina presented itself to me as a great play place. And then, once I'd grown accostomed to what would happen every month (not fearing or hating it) my vagina presented me with the greatest orgasm that I could ever have received. Well, how could any woman feel such contempt for a creation as that.

Your words, however, are filled with nothing but contempt. You act like a man who could never conceive of what joys the diamonds between the thighs do hold.

Either learn thyself better or shut the hell up.


and if you are prone to yeast infections, try the candida diet for a while and hate something other than your twat.

[Darth Flatulent]

Too much shit to repeat.

Cue Banhammer in 5....4...3...2...

[mollygrue]

Had a lovely little entry all set and accidentally deleted it--need another pot of coffee obviously:
maybe best to just hi-lite

When i was in college--back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth--the communication courses all taught that words (spoken or written) ceonvey less than 10% of the infomation of a message.

not a math person--but that means we lose about 90% of the data the sender intends us to receive wehn our communication is limited to words--smilies dont count--there is no body language no tone, no way to shade the nuances of connotation vs denotation right?

and, i posit this: a site like this has an unuually portion of highly intelligent, creative, individualistic and creative people right?

so maybe it would be possible that we are not always going to agree--
infinite diversity in infite combination is what is all supposed to be about!

besides--yall are giviing me flashbacks to that dreadful drawn together episode withthe octopussior.

[Brynja]

Aight, I'm feeling up to a challenge tonight. Here we go!




So I say something you don't like, and you automatically assume I said it because I'm "not really right in the head". Okiedokie. Just remember what happens when you assume...




Wow, didn't I already tell you that we should each leave the other's reproductive choices alone? For the record, I am indeed childless. With 6.7 billion Homo sapiens currently on the planet, I feel it's the only ethical choice.




Given that the mouth is one of the more germ-infested locales of the average healthy human body, I fail to see the insult here.



There's only one knob that I slobber, as you so crudely put it. He is mortal just like me, and likes my vagina very well, thank you.



Think I'm sex-starved? Well my s/o would disagree, but if you insist on throwing out such a lame insult, I'll toss an equally lame one back at ya: it takes one to know one.



Enjoying imagining my vagina, are we? Well that's fine, I don't mind being your "alone time" thoughts. FYI, hygiene is important, but yeast infections can crop up for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with how clean one is. Damp clothing, synthetics, and glycerine-based lube are also prime culprates. The cleanest most healthy vag in the world can't stand up to a day at the water park with a wet bathing suit.




Once again, you're making some big assumptions. Just because I don't particularly enjoy cramps, menses, or flora imbalances doesn't mean I hate or neglect my vagina.

The original comment I was replying to was musing on why women don't fall in love with their genetals as easily as men seem to. My answer, when you strip away all the bluster and bullshit I'm so widely known for, was "The social stigma associated with being female works in synergy with the fact that vaginas are not always the gardens of delight we'd like 'em to be".

But you were too busy testing out your knee-jerk flame reflex on what you ASS-U-ME'd I meant to ponder what I was actually saying.

S'ok, that happens a lot on the internet.



You're right. Blood is blood, no matter where it comes from. Blood is a biohazardous material. In fact, blood is pretty much the textbook definition of biohazardous material.



Now, you may be fine with contacting any random blood you happen across, but I value my HIV negative status, and I like my liver way too much to willingly expose myself to hepatitis, and so I'm not. My own blood is fine, that of a close family member in a pinch, but anyone else's? Not without gloves.




Sure I do. But when I blow my nose, it's a voluntary activity and over in a couple seconds. Menses is involuntary, and of a bit longer term.



Not that it's relevant to the current discussion (though I think the current discussion got side tracked a while ago...) but I am slightly emetophobic. If I yak it's rather unpleasant, and I can't handle someone vomiting anywhere near me.

Vomit and menses are slightly different beasts, however. Vomit is a sign of ill health, while menses is generally considered an omen of good health. I agree with you in that they are similar in the "ick" factor, and I submit that chunky-style menses is more "ick" than the usual smooth-n-creamy.



I guess that makes me a member of the "most adults" category then, doesn't it? I've come to terms with the fact that my physical self is made of meat, probably more than most owing to my medical background. I don't have an object problem with what my body is and does, but I don't honestly believe that everything about it is hugs and puppies. I like my boyfriend, but I don't appreciate his pizza boxes and soda cans. I like my body, but I'm not enthralled with its leavings, either.



Funny you should mention that, since I remember explaining things to the school "nurse" a time or two.



See, now you're getting the hang of satyric hyperbole! Go ahead and try another one! :)




See, we actually agree here. If you thought that menstruation was all that wonderful you would have gone for a Paragard which often has the side effect of intensifying menstrual periods, rather than a Mirena which doesn't have the same longevity, but often has the side effect of reducing or eliminating periods.



We agree again. I'm more of a clit girl myself, but vagina play is also fun.




I'd argue that it was more a failure to correctly judge my audience. My manner of speaking is very plain and oftentimes crude. My usual social circle knows, is OK with, and often enjoys that facet of my personality. I neglected to take into account that my audience here consists mainly of people who haven't been around me for years, and wouldn't read my words in the same spirit I typed them.

I'll try to be more... hmm... Politically correct doesn't have quite the right meaning, but it's close enough for the proverbial government work. I'll try to be more politically correct around here, at least until people get to know me better.




Do you really need me to answer that? I think your comment about my "child-free vagina-hating god" pretty much covers that base right there, and your assumption that because I choose not to bear children automatically means I hate them adds a significant amount of icing.

I actually kind of like kids, in the right circumstances. For example, a lady brought her twins over to my house today, and the one she was not actively carrying was screaming its fool head off because Mamma wasn't paying attention to her. Mamma felt awful that her kid was making such a fuss, I told her "Hey, you're the mom. If it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother me" and actually thought the little critter's indignation at not getting 100% of mom 100% of the time was rather endearing.





From this thread and a couple others, I see that children are a real hotbutton issue for you. How about we agree not to mention children to each other specifically, and overlook any mention of children that the other makes? I think we'll both be much happier people for it.

Is that you Bad Nurse?

:D

Give me a reason cutie, just give me one.

[Brynja]

Had a lovely little entry all set and accidentally deleted it--need another pot of coffee obviously:
maybe best to just hi-lite

When i was in college--back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth--the communication courses all taught that words (spoken or written) ceonvey less than 10% of the infomation of a message.

not a math person--but that means we lose about 90% of the data the sender intends us to receive wehn our communication is limited to words--smilies dont count--there is no body language no tone, no way to shade the nuances of connotation vs denotation right?

and, i posit this: a site like this has an unuually portion of highly intelligent, creative, individualistic and creative people right?

so maybe it would be possible that we are not always going to agree--
infinite diversity in infite combination is what is all supposed to be about!

besides--yall are giviing me flashbacks to that dreadful drawn together episode withthe octopussior.


I see your point but all of that said there are ways to offset the limitations of type. Not eradicate them mind you but alleviate some of the problem.

If Bad Nurse came in with a reasoned calm point and not that- we would be having a different sort of diagreement.

[mollygrue]

http://www.jamyewaxman.com/blog/archives/vulvap.jpg

artistic weirdness--found while looking up something else--and since it pertains to the original subject of the thread....or should this have been posted in fine arts?

[Scutisorex Shrewlord]

Man what BS. A site full of vagina closeups and I have to pay to see them. Sorry, but that's too much like dating again.

[Varaj]

Aight, I fucked up in my humor so now I will try and cover it by putting on airs of authority and really working on sounding pretentious.

For anybody that doesn't want to read Stealthblades crap this is the cliff's notes.

[Atropine Mama]

Cue Banhammer in 5....4...3...2... No no no, General Kay does the banhammering, and only for grievous breaches of conduct, most involving moderation. People can argue with me, personally, all they want.

So I say something you don't like, and you automatically assume I said it because I'm "not really right in the head".
No, I'm not assuming anything. I'm observing.

Wow, didn't I already tell you that we should each leave the other's reproductive choices alone? For the record, I am indeed childless. With 6.7 billion Homo sapiens currently on the planet, I feel it's the only ethical choice.

It started here:

Vaginas are fine and dandy, but through a cruel twist of anatomy, vaginas are attached to uteruses. Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references,

I didn't write that, honey, you did. Any woman who wants children is insane, har har. But you were (mostly) kidding. :rolleyes:

And now you're telling me I've made the unethical choice. Who here is passing judgment? I'll give you a hint: it ain't me.

Given that the mouth is one of the more germ-infested locales of the average healthy human body, I fail to see the insult here. No insult, just logic.

There's only one knob that I slobber, as you so crudely put it. He is mortal just like me, and likes my vagina very well, thank you.That's great that he trudges through your certifiable hazmat facility just for you! :jaded:

Think I'm sex-starved? Well my s/o would disagree, but if you insist on throwing out such a lame insult, I'll toss an equally lame one back at ya: it takes one to know one.No, I think you're an obnoxious neo-feminist or something. Whether or not you get laid is your own business, but since you're claiming your coochie is a toxic dump, nobody can blame me for thinking you might not want to foist that experience on someone else.

Enjoying imagining my vagina, are we? Well that's fine, I don't mind being your "alone time" thoughts. FYI, hygiene is important, but yeast infections can crop up for any number of reasons which have nothing to do with how clean one is. Damp clothing, synthetics, and glycerine-based lube are also prime culprates. The cleanest most healthy vag in the world can't stand up to a day at the water park with a wet bathing suit.I enjoy imagining a lot of different vaginas, thank you. Glad I have your persmission to imagine yours, but I'll pass. I like my fantasy vaginas to be well-liked by their owners.

P.S. Most water parks have more chlorine in that water than even your mouth's bacteria could get through. Chlorine kills fungus like yeast easily, and even out that your body is designed to fight it as well. It's just not that easy to get a yeast infection. Your example is bullshit.

The original comment I was replying to was musing on why women don't fall in love with their genetals as easily as men seem to. My answer, when you strip away all the bluster and bullshit I'm so widely known for, was "The social stigma associated with being female works in synergy with the fact that vaginas are not always the gardens of delight we'd like 'em to be".

I think if it wasn't for the social stigmas, pressures, and ideas about pussies, as well as the people like you who do little more than bitch about the bad and not counter with the good, most women wouldn't have a problem with their genitalia. It's like any other body part. I keep coming back to the mouth as a good comparison, because it has scads of good and bad things that could be said about it -- but because both genders have 'em, there's no us-vs.-them about 'em. I don't know anyone who goes around bitching about their awful mouth.

My own blood is fine, that of a close family member in a pinch, but anyone else's? Not without gloves.We're discussing your own blood here. I'm not suggesting you go gargle with someone else's menstrual fluids.

Not that it's relevant to the current discussion (though I think the current discussion got side tracked a while ago...) but I am slightly emetophobic. If I yak it's rather unpleasant, and I can't handle someone vomiting anywhere near me.

Vomit and menses are slightly different beasts, however. Vomit is a sign of ill health, while menses is generally considered an omen of good health. I agree with you in that they are similar in the "ick" factor, and I submit that chunky-style menses is more "ick" than the usual smooth-n-creamy.So, you're prissy.

I like peanut butter.

I guess that makes me a member of the "most adults" category then, doesn't it? I've come to terms with the fact that my physical self is made of meat, probably more than most owing to my medical background. I don't have an object problem with what my body is and does, but I don't honestly believe that everything about it is hugs and puppies. I like my boyfriend, but I don't appreciate his pizza boxes and soda cans. I like my body, but I'm not enthralled with its leavings, either.Didn't come across that way in your first post. Not at all.

Funny you should mention that, since I remember explaining things to the school "nurse" a time or two.Sounds like you were a pompous ass back then, as well.

See, we actually agree here. If you thought that menstruation was all that wonderful you would have gone for a Paragard which often has the side effect of intensifying menstrual periods, rather than a Mirena which doesn't have the same longevity, but often has the side effect of reducing or eliminating periods.Uh... ok? Does that mean I have to start hating my vagina now?

I'd argue that it was more a failure to correctly judge my audience. My manner of speaking is very plain and oftentimes crude. My usual social circle knows, is OK with, and often enjoys that facet of my personality. I neglected to take into account that my audience here consists mainly of people who haven't been around me for years, and wouldn't read my words in the same spirit I typed them.

I'll try to be more... hmm... Politically correct doesn't have quite the right meaning, but it's close enough for the proverbial government work. I'll try to be more politically correct around here, at least until people get to know me better.

I bolded the important part here for emphasis. Lurk more. Get to know that audience better before swirling in here with your floofy panties all ruffled up declaring your disgust for vaginas on a board with an emphasis on female badassery.

Do you really need me to answer that? I think your comment about my "child-free vagina-hating god" pretty much covers that base right there, and your assumption that because I choose not to bear children automatically means I hate them adds a significant amount of icing.

I don't want to quote it again, but look up and you can see yourself calling children a "foul secretion". No fucking shit I take that as hating kids. Please. I had no idea then if you had any or not, and I'm not sure if you know anything about me at this point, but you come off strongly as a "Child-Free" livejournal type. Please use google, it's your friend. I wasn't using child-free as a generic insult, I was referring to a specific group of people. I've had two separate run-ins with these "child-free" fuckheads in the last six months or so, and neither were pretty. I am getting rather tired of running these idiots up the nearest tree.

From this thread and a couple others, I see that children are a real hotbutton issue for you. How about we agree not to mention children to each other specifically, and overlook any mention of children that the other makes? I think we'll both be much happier people for it.
How about you not ask me for any fucking favors right now?

[Atropine Mama]

Is that you Bad Nurse?

:D

Give me a reason cutie, just give me one.

She's kind of like a combination BadNurse/Sparvari, isn't she? :lookaround:

[mollygrue]

females, i note are something of a minority: and this thread made me wonder--how many of us have children? not placing any value judgement on decisions to breed or not--just curious about the statistical aspect of reproductive useage vs recreational useage of the female system

(and , it seems to me, that the only ones with clear, uncomplicated feelings about the vagina are the hetro males: WANT!!!!--while those of us in possession of these much coveted treasure chest of delights must confess to at least an occasional moment of ambiguity regarding natural processes)

i have 1 child, female

[The Winslow]

females, i note are something of a minority:

A minority that, statistically, comprises 51% of the human population...

[mollygrue]

drat-just erased myself! argh!

[mollygrue]

A minority that, statistically, comprises 51% of the human population...
meant a minority HERE, at this site, specifically--k?

[The Winslow]

K.

[Brynja]

We aren't a minority here, this site actually was created specifically by us for us.

So while we may not outnumber, if you ask any woman here I doubt she will tell you she feels like a minority.

[Xavier Lang]

i have 1 child, female

I have zero children, much to my mother's chagrin. :D

[Iron Jenny Kidd]

I'm not sure but I think the female population here is split on who has children and who doesn't. I have one son and I am not having more as he has learning disabilities that I need need to focus on, which I personally would find difficult to do if I had more children. Now there are others here going through the same thing and have other children, which I give much props to. Even raising children without disabilities is a difficult task so any that choose to do so, and do so well, should be praised.

Now, the militant child free morons irritate me as much as the militant breeders. Which by breeders I mean those who insist a woman who has a working uterus has a duty to have children. I don't believe there are any like that here, though.

It's early and I'm rambling. I did want to say, though, that I will avoid public pools if they're busy as even a short dip in the water causes an infection for me. I can't take foo foo baths either as I get infections from that. My puss is very sensitive to irritants. :(

[mollygrue]

We aren't a minority here, this site actually was created specifically by us for us.

So while we may not outnumber, if you ask any woman here I doubt she will tell you she feels like a minority.
only using the term minority in its mathmatical sense--not to imply any sociological issues. perhaps should have said it differently:

i looked at the profiles and noticed there were not as many females as males at this site and as the subject of vaginas and their myriad useages was being hotly debated it caused me to ponder the question of children .

Jenny -i couldnt agree with you more --breeders is the term used hereabouts also--and women who treat their uterus like a clown car are are not likely to be found here.

my best friend is child free by choice. my daughter is ( long sigh) a breeder.
i love them both dearly--but they have VERY different world views --shaped in many ways by their reproductive choices.

and hey lets have a happy little moment of yippee!!! that we DO have choices nowdays--biology is no longer destiny.

[Droid101]

I think we should talk about forced sterilization now. This is fun! :D

[mollygrue]

as i mentioned--my sis has adopted 3 children --"crack babies" each of whom is now healthy and happy and dearly loved

the birthmothers lost custody of their children (at birth) because of their lifestyles. my sister has been repeatedly contacted by state/agencies--these women, when not in prison, continue to breed, and continue to loose custody of kids. little sarahs mom has had 4 others--has none of them inher possession. drugs/prostitution/alcohol--you name it.

i am all about freedom of choice--but it seems like women like that should not be allowed to procreate....my sis's kids are lucky--they survived--it aint pretty when a child is born while momma is still all coked out....

and--since droid brought it up--what about people who abuse their kids?
is anyone outside of michigan familiar with the recent ricky holland scandal?
i was involved in a similar situation--we managed to get darren out before he too was killed. his "mother" --and i use the term only in its genetic sense--traded his body for sexual use in exchange for drugs. she fed him, and his younger siblings when she remembered to. if she remembered to to.
the details would make you sick to your stomache. she had lost custody of one child, and eventually lost custody of the others--shes injail now--but what about when she gets out? should this monstor be allowed her reproductive rights?

and who gets to decide?

(ooooh oooooh pick me! pick me!)

and these are not isolated or extreme examples. it happens everyday.
so what , as a society, does one do?

ideas anyone?

[Droid101]

ideas anyone?

Sterilize everyone at birth with a reversible procedure.

At age 25, you can apply to have kids. Drug tests, Emotional IQ tests, and whatever else are taken. If you pass, you get to be un-sterilized.

There, works for everyone! :D

;)

And I'm done with the thread-jack. I've moved the sterilization issue to this thread (http://www.kaytastrophe.com/vb/showthread.php?t=440).

[Black Angel]

Ok so I fall into the non-procreating female category at this point in my life.

However I don't hate children, I just don't want any of my own right now. Maybe that will change in years to come. Maybe not. I definitely don't classify myself as 'Child-Free' , especially after seeing some of their BS.

I guess in the end I'm just agreeing that it's great that everyone can make their own choices, and it's sad that some don't make the right ones.

[mollygrue]

well said!

[Brynja]

I am in the desperately want kids but likely can't boat.

[Dawnstar]

Originally Posted by Stealthblade View Post
Uteruses are the progenitors of all sort of foul secretions, ranging from menses to children. Uteruses provide cramps, infections, children, and all sorts of things that no sane woman wants any part of.

OK, so I'm (mostly) kidding about the child references,

This really upsets me that a person who chooses not to have kids calls the people that do insane. What makes me insane? I have two children who I love and adore. They mean everything to me. I am very happy that the hubby and I decided to have children.

Oh and i am sorry that you seem to hate the fact that you are a female so much. Because that sure is what is sounds like to me.

[mollygrue]

I am in the desperately want kids but likely can't boat.
that was my sisters situation, and why she adopted. i was only able to have one--tho i would have chose to only have one or two anyway.

isnt is remarkable how the ability to have, or the inability to have children, the ability to chose to utilize reproductive potential, or to opt for a adifferent way of life is such a pivital one ? it seems to affect all aspects of our world view--perhaps more than any other aspect of our selves.

temperment, gender orientation, poitical stance--none are as all encompassing as our feelings about children.

[The Winslow]

This really upsets me that a person who chooses not to have kids calls the people that do insane.

I think she said that because of her personal experience.

(Yes, that is a "your mom" joke at Stealthblade's expense.)

[Goblin Girl]

Now, the militant child free morons irritate me as much as the militant breeders. Which by breeders I mean those who insist a woman who has a working uterus has a duty to have children. I don't believe there are any like that here, though.
I agree completely.

Stealthblade, your posts in this thread paint you as obnoxiously self-righteous and misogynist. If you want the community here to not dismiss you as an asshat, then try not to post like one.

[strawberry]

And this coming from someone who owns a vagina. I can only imagine what it would be like for the non-equipped to be confronted by such an organ.

Aren't they confronted by such an organ every time they fuck one? :confused:

females, i note are something of a minority: and this thread made me wonder--how many of us have children? not placing any value judgement on decisions to breed or not--just curious about the statistical aspect of reproductive useage vs recreational useage of the female system.

No berryspawn walk this earth. I thought it would be best to let women who would actually be good mothers be in charge of motherhood.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Aren't they confronted by such an organ every time they fuck one? :confused:



No berryspawn walk this earth. I thought it would be best to let women who would actually be good mothers be in charge of motherhood.

Berryspawn? That's good. :)

[shabois]

Wow! This thread went crazy since we started making fun of the vagina site!;)

Hey I am a guy so I would never presume to know what it is like to have a vagina. But I enjoy women and their naughty bits and I enjoy women who enjoy their own naughty bits as well. It has always been my maxim that no one knows how to pleasure a woman better than herself! It seems like someone has some self hatred issues or at least needs to put this thread in the light hearted perspective I believe it started in.

Plus as an expectant father I am cool with people having kids or not having kids as their choice, but it is not cool to talk down to people who decide to have kids...