Player Meltdown; Input Requested

[Keeper of Secrets]

I posted this at ENWorld but decided to post it here as well (for those of you who don't visit or post at ENWorld). Besides, I might get more interesting responses here.

One of the most unusual player meltdowns I have ever experienced happened at last night's session. Some background is required but bear with me . . .

I run Mutants & Masterminds every Friday night and have been running the same supers campaign for years. Last night a player of mine (who has always been kind of a manic/depressive fellow, prone to bouts of quirky behavior) finally fell apart.

His character is the resident occultist and wizard. Morose and eerie is his personality and he has a variety of magical gadgets which help during investigations. Now, his character was center stage. He was a approached by a woman for a new story arc. She expressed romantic interest in him and they began a few days of seeing each other (Now, the woman is actually dead and he is talking to her ghost as the ghost is subtly trying to warn him of the big bad who killed her and she wants him to solver her murder, etc.)

Meanwhile I go back and forth to the other players in between mysterious and romantic dates and so on with the meltdown player. They go about their lives and follow up on some leads for their own personal investigations.

The set up for the meltdown player's mystery is that he is finally invited back to the dead woman's 'home' (which actually will end up being a creepy condemned apartment where she was killed about a week ago in a ritualistic murder in the basement.

As I am ready to go back to the meltdown player to explain how he drives up to the apartment, he says he has to talk to me right now - in private. I don't think much of it as he is the kind of player who constantly asks to see me in private because he is often too shy to have his character be romantic or submit an interesting idea for fear of the others making fun of him.

As we are going into the next room the other players are mumbling something about a trap ready to be sprung on him by the mysterious (ghost) woman.

In the next room meltdown player proceeds to tell me how he 'can't do this.' I am wondering if he means the romance angle (since I know the romance angle is done at this point and all he has to do is stumble across the body). I assure him we'll get through this, he should trust me, etc. Then he proceeds to clarify. He can't do this character. He can't be an occult expert. He doesn't know what he is doing. The other players will laugh at him and give him a hard time. He is sick to his stomach over the grief.

My jaw drops. I am stunned. I have no idea what to say next.

To make matters worse, the clues that are supposed to be found with the dead woman are to lead into the next chapter of the campaign. Cultists. Coming of a Lovecraft style god, etc. I can't have him back out. I can't start over again. I beg him to just make it through the next 15 minutes.

So like some director, trying to film the last 20 minutes of a movie with a slung out, coked up starlet, I push him through the next scene as he enters the creepy apartment, finds the body and then the player freezes.

He freezes. About a minute of silence as he has his head down in his hands, looking at the floor. (Try this experiment. Get your gaming group to sit in utter silence, waiting for something to happen. 1 minute feels like 20 and is very awkward.)

Eventually I put my years of GM experience to use and have meltdown's character's phone dial another PC and have ghost voices threaten the other PC which prompts a callback to meltdown. Meltdown manages to pull it together a little bit but as soon as he eeks out his weak description of what his character saw, I end the game early.

I sent an email to meltdown player this morning and am waiting for a response. I politely asked him, 'WTF!?!?!?!?!'

Any thoughts, ideas, advice or observations would be appreciated. I have been running games over 20 years and never had anything this strange happen.

[Harry]

A glass of wine and a Valium should work wonders.

hth

[Ergeheilalt]

Politely suggest that he gets real help?

Seriously. It's a game. I'll admit to getting caught up and angry with other players, hell, I'll even admit to being timid when it comes to risking life and limb of my own imaginary characters. But being afraid to just talk to people? To venture ideas? Oi. The guy needs help that you cannot provide.

[Brynja]

Are players mocking him off table?

There is no mercy in our dojo but maybe he needs a little reprieve from it. It could be if he is truly bi polar that he may need a medication shift.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Everyone at the table gives each other some good natured ribbing. But this has been going on for years and years. Nobody is safe, yet at the same time nobody is ever the target of anything cruel or mean. On a level of 1-10 the ribbing at our table is in the 3-4 range and it is even lessened by the exposure everyone has had for it for years. It is virtually a non-issue which makes it so unusual to me.

[Atropine Mama]

I've been there and done that. I never gamed again. Sorry I don't have any advice for ya, Keeper, I think it's something dude is gonna have to deal with on his own.

However, and don't take this all personal-like, you silly sonuvabitch, but I do think it was an asshole move to make somebody obviously in real distress play out another 15 minutes of something terrifying him so you could continue your game.

[Keeper of Secrets]

I've been there and done that. I never gamed again. Sorry I don't have any advice for ya, Keeper, I think it's something dude is gonna have to deal with on his own.

However, and don't take this all personal-like, you silly sonuvabitch, but I do think it was an asshole move to make somebody obviously in real distress play out another 15 minutes of something terrifying him so you could continue your game.

You never gamed again? With a specific person or you NEVER gamed again after something once happened?

Agreed as far as me participating in an asshole move. But, if I may throw in a bit of defense, I really was not aware of the extent of what the problem is. Besides, I also weighed the amount of potential ribbing and damage he would have gotten from the others sitting around the table who would have needled him and wondered, 'what the fuck?' See, part of me thought, 'what will bring the least amount of attention to this strange incident.'

[Brynja]

Well maybe after a bit ask him- not while you are gaming-if everything is alright.

Maybe there is a way he can return, be happy with the game and everyone also be at peace.

[doc]

Did he or you creat the occultist PC ? Something is bothering him in RL, ask him (or someone close to him) for and explanation for the melt down, and see if the group will help him with it if they can, it'll help him with the problem and bring all of y'all togather outside the game. In the mean time switch to something lighthearted take a brief break from whats bothering him till it's resolved.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Did he or you creat the occultist PC ? Something is bothering him in RL, ask him (or someone close to him) for and explanation for the melt down, and see if the group will help him with it if they can, it'll help him with the problem and bring all of y'all togather outside the game. In the mean time switch to something lighthearted take a brief break from whats bothering him till it's resolved.


Excellent question, doc. This is his third character in 12 months. The previous two he designed were not to his liking. I created the current one for him a few weeks ago and he was thrilled. It was all he could talk about. So he seemed happy . . .

[Enk]

Do I know this person?

[Keeper of Secrets]

Do I know this person?

Yes. Yes, you do.

[Atropine Mama]

You never gamed again? With a specific person or you NEVER gamed again after something once happened?The situation was that I was a total fucking noob trying to join a new game with a group that had all gamed for 25+ years. It was a massacre. The one person who immediately killed my character that first session felt totally justified in doing so.

Agreed as far as me participating in an asshole move. But, if I may throw in a bit of defense, I really was not aware of the extent of what the problem is. Besides, I also weighed the amount of potential ribbing and damage he would have gotten from the others sitting around the table who would have needled him and wondered, 'what the fuck?' See, part of me thought, 'what will bring the least amount of attention to this strange incident.'Understandable. I think you probably took what was the best option at the time, if you thought it would help him save face.

Something is bothering him in RL, ask him (or someone close to him) for and explanation for the melt down, and see if the group will help him with it if they can, it'll help him with the problem and bring all of y'all togather outside the game. In the mean time switch to something lighthearted take a brief break from whats bothering him till it's resolved.IAWTP

Excellent question, doc. This is his third character in 12 months. The previous two he designed were not to his liking. I created the current one for him a few weeks ago and he was thrilled. It was all he could talk about. So he seemed happy . . .Hmmm. Maybe he felt too grateful for your help to object to the character you made, or maybe he's just a pushover that explodes when pushed too far? Damn, from us uninvolved folks it's all speculation.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Hmmm. Maybe he felt too grateful for your help to object to the character you made, or maybe he's just a pushover that explodes when pushed too far? Damn, from us uninvolved folks it's all speculation.

Honestly, this is one of the most difficult people to describe ever. Imagine someone who is extremely arrogant, yet somehow has an inferiority complex. Its baffling.

Frustratingly, he is also one of those people who is prone to making some cryptic comment or gesture, like well placed heavy sighs so everyone in the room can hear him, just begging you to ask what is wrong.

And that is what became some difficult about this. Was he crying wolf again or was he legitimately troubled?

[strawberry]

He can't do this character. He can't be an occult expert. He doesn't know what he is doing. The other players will laugh at him and give him a hard time. He is sick to his stomach over the grief.

My thought is that this is a person whose character should never, ever be center stage unless the person has enough RL knowledge of whatever the character is supposed to be an expert in to feel confident about "doing the right things", or until he gets some RL help for whatever is manifesting as this paralyzing lack of confidence.

[NGRI]

I play is this game and was wondering what was going on during this time. One thing that Keeper hasn’t mentioned is that this player was center stage for the first 2 sessions that the character was in. He had no problems then and in fact did some of the best role-playing that I have seen him do and seemed to genuinely like it.

The player also knows how to cover his lack of knowledge by dumping it back on the GM. I refer to saying something along the lines of ”I look around the room to see if I find anything of occult activity” “Do I find signs or sigyls that would identify what group did this?”

As to being laughed at, I don’t ever remember a player being laughed at. There is ribbing over what a player character has done. I seem to be taking a lot of that but I don’t think it is mean spirited. If I thought the attacks were personal, I would have stepped in.

I hope that this is something temporary and that the player can resolve it. If not we may have to throw him in the river or poke him in the eye with a stick.

[strawberry]

I play is this game and was wondering what was going on during this time. One thing that Keeper hasn’t mentioned is that this player was center stage for the first 2 sessions that the character was in. He had no problems then and in fact did some of the best role-playing that I have seen him do and seemed to genuinely like it.

That is just weird. IME when people freeze (especially center stage) it's because they just don't know what to do AND can't pretend they do know what to do. There has to be something going on IRL that's freaking him out.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Under most circumstances I would agree, Strawberry, but based upon some things going on in his life, I would argue that the guy has never been happier.

[strawberry]

Under most circumstances I would agree, Strawberry, but based upon some things going on in his life, I would argue that the guy has never been happier.

Double weird. Maybe he started using or something. And I only mean that a little bit in jest.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Double weird. Maybe he started using or something. And I only mean that a little bit in jest.

I am of the opinion if he began using illegal drugs he would be a much more interesting person from day to day.

[strawberry]

Well then, he has clearly fallen madly in love with you and feels terribly awkward in your presence.

[Martin]

Well then, he has clearly fallen madly in love with you and feels terribly awkward in your presence.

Well, who hasn't?

[strawberry]

Well, who hasn't?

Well yea, but I try not to let it affect the game.

[Enk]

So what the fuck did he say was up?

[Keeper of Secrets]

Not much yet. I sent him an email but no response.

[SmokestackJones]

Honestly, this is one of the most difficult people to describe ever. Imagine someone who is extremely arrogant, yet somehow has an inferiority complex. Its baffling.

You'd be surprised how often those two go together. You know like peanut butter and chocolate, Stan and Ollie or salt and peter.

-SJ

[Pigs in Space]

Honestly, this is one of the most difficult people to describe ever. Imagine someone who is extremely arrogant, yet somehow has an inferiority complex. Its baffling?

Is he fat?

Does he have a beard?

Does his job involve computers?


I think I know him.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Is he fat?

Does he have a beard?

Does his job involve computers?


I think I know him.

Only the computers part is true.

I think it is fair to say that there is one or two topics he is a fatbeard in (Battletech, Babylon 5), but generally he is not one.

[Xavier Lang]

The situation was that I was a total fucking noob trying to join a new game with a group that had all gamed for 25+ years. It was a massacre. The one person who immediately killed my character that first session felt totally justified in doing so.

I'm still sad you won't play with us. :gloomy:

(I'm frustrated that you were talked into making a demon follower after a rabid demon hunter had been very publicly made)

[Keeper of Secrets]

Update!

I spoke to the player today. He said that the reason he acted the way he did was because:

KFC ruined his order.

He had bad traffic on the way to the game.

He got out of work ten minutes late.

What the Christ?!?

[TiQuinn]

Update!

I spoke to the player today. He said that the reason he acted the way he did was because:

KFC ruined his order.

He had bad traffic on the way to the game.

He got out of work ten minutes late.

What the Christ?!?

Yeah, bullshit. He probably doesn't want to come out with it.

Even if that is the truth, I think you just need to find out what kind of character the guy wants to play and then keep him off center stage.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Yeah, bullshit. He probably doesn't want to come out with it.

Even if that is the truth, I think you just need to find out what kind of character the guy wants to play and then keep him off center stage.

Keeping him off center stage is just the start. After his weird admission I may want him off my game.

[strawberry]

what the fucking hell

[TiQuinn]

Keeping him off center stage is just the start. After his weird admission I may want him off my game.

There's always that. I wasn't sure if that was an option or not.

[shabois]

I also play in this game and this player has been DRAMA since the campaign started 12 years ago! In fact the reason I was asked to join a decade ago was because this player had quit in a random fit of rage and frustration!

I agree he needs help in RL, but I also can confirm his life has never been better at work or at home. Which makes it all the more strange. In fact there was nothing unusual during the gaming session that would have sparked this meltdown.

In fairness to Keeper, the character he is playing is a version of a character he has played multiple times in this campaign. So the Keeper did not really creater a b rand new character for him but allowed him to bring in a character he has used in previous games. This is his favorite character that he has ever played and he is usually very comfortable with ths character. The player has a strong background with CoC so I don't think the occult expertise is the real issue.

The player just has "episodes" from time to time whixh are unexplained. I do agree the he needs to be off "center stage". The only problem with that though is that if the storyline does not directly involve him he becomes a distraction complaining about how bored he is.

Bottom line I think the player wants to quit to spend more time with a significant other but does not have the balls to just quit. He wants to be booted so that it is not his fault.

[Harry]

Update!

I spoke to the player today. He said that the reason he acted the way he did was because:

KFC ruined his order.

He had bad traffic on the way to the game.

He got out of work ten minutes late.

What the Christ?!?

I wasn't joking about the glass of wine and Valium. Do you have supply issues? A dooby would work in a pinch.

[PWD]

Keeping him off center stage is just the start. After his weird admission I may want him off my game.

Based on what shabois says, kick the motherfucker to the curb, and he should count himself lucky if you don't curbstomp him while you're at it.

[Keeper of Secrets]

More stuff became available in the ENworld thread:

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=203743

[Enk]

He's not taking his meds anymore, is he?

[Keeper of Secrets]

He's not taking his meds anymore, is he?

Good question. I have not asked. I think that since he has started seeing (living with) this girl, he may not be on them.

[Enk]

Good question. I have not asked. I think that since he has started seeing (living with) this girl, he may not be on them.

Being someone who's been prescribed psychotropic medication, I can say unequivically that the temptation to drop the meds is about as high as can be during courtship.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Being someone who's been prescribed psychotropic medication, I can say unequivically that the temptation to drop the meds is about as high as can be during courtship.


That is what I think has happened.

[Atropine Mama]

"Boy, these meds work great, I'm happy and I've met this girl!"
"I'm not sick anymore, I don't need the meds!"
"Fuck, life sucks again. What's wrong with me?"

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[Ancalagon]

This definitely reeks of mental illness.

Some types of mental illness simply *kill* your coping skills. When he says that he was having issues because of a messed up food order, he's not lying. At the moment, this event is about as hard to handle as say, finding out you have a terrible disease would be for you.

Now, if I start speculating... some meds really screw up the libido. Maybe he's going of them because of the relationship?

Ancalagon

[Keeper of Secrets]

Admittedly, this is the same guy who, back in 1997/1998 blamed someone (the user known as shabois) for ruining his chances with meeting women because of stuff shabois did in our Friday night game.

What the Christ?!?!

This was also before I had to toss him for awhile and give him a time out.

[Black Angel]

This definitely reeks of mental illness.

Some types of mental illness simply *kill* your coping skills. When he says that he was having issues because of a messed up food order, he's not lying. At the moment, this event is about as hard to handle as say, finding out you have a terrible disease would be for you.

Now, if I start speculating... some meds really screw up the libido. Maybe he's going of them because of the relationship?

Ancalagon


Good point here...

[Droid101]

The situation was that I was a total fucking noob trying to join a new game with a group that had all gamed for 25+ years. It was a massacre. The one person who immediately killed my character that first session felt totally justified in doing so.

Um, what kind of GM would introduce a person to gaming with 25 year veterans with a possibility of player killing player conflict? That's just idiotic.

[Northcott]

Honestly, this is one of the most difficult people to describe ever. Imagine someone who is extremely arrogant, yet somehow has an inferiority complex. Its baffling.

Frustratingly, he is also one of those people who is prone to making some cryptic comment or gesture, like well placed heavy sighs so everyone in the room can hear him, just begging you to ask what is wrong.

And that is what became some difficult about this. Was he crying wolf again or was he legitimately troubled?

Arrogance and inferiority complexes go hand in hand pretty regularly. Especially among the geek chiq crowd. There's a lot of gamer geeks out there who act like arrogant asses in their favourite subjects, but put them in front of a girl or at a sporting event and watch them shrivel up.

Sounds like he's legitimately troubled. Either that, or he's gone overboard with drama whoring... but that in itself isn't really a sign of stability. Sounds like your friend's up shit creek. The real question is whether or not he'll be honest enough with the people who care about him to actually do something about it.

When somebody's that hurt they may issue repeated cries for help, but then close up when the matter is addressed directly. It's hard to feel that vulnerable and that weak.

[doc]

Morale: Have Keeper as your DM and you go batshit crazy !

Hope he comes around y'all

[Keeper of Secrets]

Morale: Have Keeper as your DM and you go batshit crazy !

Hope he comes around y'all

You may be on to something. However, I think what Northcott said rings true - sadly I think it was someone who was having a bad day, resorted to drama whoring and caused my gaming group and I some stress thinking this was a serious issue.

[doc]

Been there have the scar, Least it wasn't a PMSing lesbian who thanks her partner is going stright with the DM (that was a bad night) (and no I wasn't boffing her)

[NRG]

I wasn't joking about the glass of wine and Valium. Do you have supply issues? A dooby would work in a pinch.

I'd recommend against the latter if the person in question doesn't have at least some experience with it. I've seen some unstable folks become even more so under that particular influence.

NRG

[Keeper of Secrets]

I'd recommend against the latter if the person in question doesn't have at least some experience with it. I've seen some unstable folks become even more so under that particular influence.

NRG

This is the same guy that cannot handle a rum and Coke without getting all goofy. He is prudish enough to look down on people who engage in recreational drugs.'

Fuck 'em.

[Northcott]

You may be on to something. However, I think what Northcott said rings true - sadly I think it was someone who was having a bad day, resorted to drama whoring and caused my gaming group and I some stress thinking this was a serious issue.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! I must have communicated poorly: I think it is a serious issue, from what you've described. The question is of what type, and just how serious. It sounds like he's in a place where he has neither the reserves nor the tools to cope with even minor obstacles, and that's a serious thing.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! I must have communicated poorly: I think it is a serious issue, from what you've described. The question is of what type, and just how serious. It sounds like he's in a place where he has neither the reserves nor the tools to cope with even minor obstacles, and that's a serious thing.


OK. Maybe I misread you. But you said something which struck me as a real problem. I have known the guy for about 15 years. On one hand he is a dear friend but he is the first person to ask you for advice yet NOT TAK Eit when he gets an answer he doesn't like.

He's the kind of person who would ask what they could do to lose weight. You could respond, be more active and eat less.

"I don't like that answer. Isn't there an answer in there that involves more sleeping and eating pizza?"

I have tried to help him with his emotional problems for a long time but he continues to reject the slightest hint of healthy advice.

"So, you want to meet people, huh? Well, let's try going out and meeting people."

"No. I can't do that."

:mad:

[obryn]

Rough one, man. I'd echo the above that it sounds like he's off his medication... Just a hunch...

-O

[Northcott]

OK. Maybe I misread you. But you said something which struck me as a real problem. I have known the guy for about 15 years. On one hand he is a dear friend but he is the first person to ask you for advice yet NOT TAKE it when he gets an answer he doesn't like.


Okay, that's fucking irritating. It drives me batshit when people do that. I can't fucking stand self-enforced helplessness. The cult of victimhood is a weak game.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Okay, that's fucking irritating. It drives me batshit when people do that. I can't fucking stand self-enforced helplessness. The cult of victimhood is a weak game.


To make things more interesting I just got off the phone with a friend who was coming through Ohio on his way to GenCon. I asked if he wanted to get together with Meltdown player and he responded that last night Meltdown "had to cancel because the girlfriend was likely making him clean the toilet or something. Pussy."

[Ancalagon]

"So, you want to meet people, huh? Well, let's try going out and meeting people."

"No. I can't do that."

:mad:

Again, no coping skills.

If he has social anxiety, meeting people is hard. It's like you saying:

"So, you want to get over your fear of grizzly bears huh? Well there's three of them out back, let's grab sticks and go poke them!"

To him, meeting new people is as scary and challenging as making friends with grizzly bears is to most of us. So for him, saying no is a *perfectly* logical answer, from his perspective.

Your friend needs help. A lot of it. But he's not doing this to be a fucktard. He's sick.

[Keeper of Secrets]

Again, no coping skills.

If he has social anxiety, meeting people is hard. It's like you saying:

"So, you want to get over your fear of grizzly bears huh? Well there's three of them out back, let's grab sticks and go poke them!"

To him, meeting new people is as scary and challenging as making friends with grizzly bears is to most of us. So for him, saying no is a *perfectly* logical answer, from his perspective.

Your friend needs help. A lot of it. But he's not doing this to be a fucktard. He's sick.

And deep down I know you are right. I, myself, suffer from anxieties - none of them what he has. But the tough part from my POV was the constant requests to, what amounted to, get him a girlfriend but where he was unwilling to put forth any effort. I fully understand someone like him is in a rough spot. But there were times when I was made to feel kind of guilty for not waving a magic wand and making him live happily after after.

As it turns out he is seeing someone I set him up with but that was the culmination of a couple of years worth of work.

[Dr. Paragon]

KOS, There comes a point where you look someone you care in the eye
and tell them to quit being a fucking child. People do not rise to the
occasion because they are not required to by those they respect.
This person is an adult, and it's damned well time they acted like one.
If they think that scrubbing a toilet for some potential ass is more
important than hanging with a friend whose visiting, then they are not
worth the sweat off a dead man's balls IMNSHO. Let him play "house"
with his SO and when he fucks it up and comes crawling back tell him to
be a goddamned man and 'stand up' or crawl on back to his self imposed
hell of self pity.

Or keep putting up with his childish shit for possibly another two-three
decades.

You decide.

[Keeper of Secrets]

KOS, There comes a point where you look someone you care in the eye
and tell them to quit being a fucking child. People do not rise to the
occasion because they are not required to by those they respect.
This person is an adult, and it's damned well time they acted like one.
If they think that scrubbing a toilet for some potential ass is more
important than hanging with a friend whose visiting, then they are not
worth the sweat off a dead man's balls IMNSHO. Let him play "house"
with his SO and when he fucks it up and comes crawling back tell him to
be a goddamned man and 'stand up' or crawl on back to his self imposed
hell of self pity.

Or keep putting up with his childish shit for possibly another two-three
decades.

You decide.

Part of me feels the way you do but another part of me has a lot of sympathy for him as he is a dear friend. As I may have mentioned, as I look back on it he is one of my oldest friends. (Many of my other friends and gamer buddies cock an eyebrow about the amount of shit I let him get away with from time to time.)

Anyway, one of the things which I have not be able to articulate well is the series of nuances that complicate things. I would never have the time to go into all of them and many would be kind of boring.

Though, one interesting thing is that he used to be kind of a cock from time to time in games. But he made a strong effort to be better at the table and it worked for the most part. Sometimes he slips. He is the kind of guy who might be kind of an ass at Friday's game and then talk with you on Wednesday, expressing regret, tell you to punch him when he acts up and really tries to show he is making a difference. Then Friday comes and he's fine. Next Friday comes and he is fine. Then its that NEXT Friday where asshattery pops up.

[Northcott]

"So, you want to get over your fear of grizzly bears huh? Well there's three of them out back, let's grab sticks and go poke them!"

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA! Man, that's priceless! :D

[Ancalagon]

Though, one interesting thing is that he used to be kind of a cock from time to time in games. But he made a strong effort to be better at the table and it worked for the most part. Sometimes he slips. He is the kind of guy who might be kind of an ass at Friday's game and then talk with you on Wednesday, expressing regret, tell you to punch him when he acts up and really tries to show he is making a difference. Then Friday comes and he's fine. Next Friday comes and he is fine. Then its that NEXT Friday where asshattery pops up.

... scutt?

[Pigs in Space]

I wasn't joking about the glass of wine and Valium. Do you have supply issues? A dooby would work in a pinch.

That's your solution to everything.

[Harry]

That's your solution to everything.

Not anymore. Personally, I'm a Gatorade and Lortab kinda guy now.

[Dr. Paragon]

Not anymore. Personally, I'm a Gatorade and Lortab kinda guy now.

:D