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FeatsofClay
11-16-2007, 02:21 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/national/main3513410.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3513410

Army Desertion Rate Soaring
Number Of U.S. Army Deserters Up 80% Since Iraq War Started; Highest Rate Since 1980

(CBS/AP) Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80 percent increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam war, when the draft was in effect, they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42 percent jump since last year.

According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year.

Nearly 64 percent of the desertions last year were reported from April to December, reports CBS News correspondent Sam Litzinger, which would suggest the pace is picking up.

Analysts say the Army has borne the brunt of the war in Iraq. Marine and Navy desertions actually declined last fiscal year.

Military leaders - including Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey - have acknowledged that the Army has been stretched nearly to the breaking point by the combat. And efforts are under way to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps to lessen the burden and give troops more time off between deployments.

Despite the continued increase in desertions, however, an Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures earlier this year showed that the military does little to find those who bolt, and rarely prosecutes the ones they get. Some are allowed to simply return to their units, while most are given less-than-honorable discharges.

The report on rising desertion rates comes a day after two U.S. Army deserters who fled to Canada and sought refugee status on grounds of their opposition to the Iraq war lost their bids to have the Supreme Court of Canada hear their cases.

The court refused Thursday to hear the appeals of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who were rejected by Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board in 2005. Hinzman and Hughey deserted the U.S. Army in 2004 after learning their units were to be deployed to Iraq to fight in a war they have called immoral and illegal.

What I want to know is what caused the high desertion rate in 1980? WTF made folks leave their posts then?

Space Cadet B^3
11-16-2007, 03:25 PM
Same as this time? Fear of Iran? (or at least war there?)

Stratego
11-16-2007, 03:29 PM
It was probably the realization that the Army wasn't really like they showed in "Stripes."

Trainz
11-16-2007, 04:55 PM
It was probably the realization that the Army wasn't really like they showed in "Stripes."

Yeah, all those deserters must be retards who enlisted and didn't know better...

... or could it be that those few are actually fed up with fighting an unlegitimate war, and could possibly turn out to be the most efficient and courageous soldiers if fighting for a just cause?

YMMV...

Pigs in Space
11-16-2007, 08:19 PM
Don't you guys shoot deserters?


See, that's why the aussie army is awesome and kicks ass.

PWD
11-16-2007, 08:30 PM
Don't you guys shoot deserters?

No, we have actual ammo to use, we don't need to repurpose our own troops for projectiles.

TiQuinn
11-16-2007, 08:52 PM
Yeah, all those deserters must be retards who enlisted and didn't know better...

... or could it be that those few are actually fed up with fighting an unlegitimate war, and could possibly turn out to be the most efficient and courageous soldiers if fighting for a just cause?

YMMV...

What illegitimate war was the US fighting in 1980?

PWD
11-16-2007, 08:59 PM
What illegitimate war was the US fighting in 1980?

The war on D&D, as I recall.

TiQuinn
11-16-2007, 09:00 PM
The war on D&D, as I recall.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

Carry on, then. :)

Pigs in Space
11-16-2007, 11:39 PM
No, we have actual ammo to use, we don't need to repurpose our own troops for projectiles.

Can you imagine how much that would freak the Iraqi's out?

Massive clown cannons would totally win the war.

Trainz
11-17-2007, 12:11 AM
What illegitimate war was the US fighting in 1980?

I was actually cross referencing his reply to address the current desertion phenomenon...

... or the War on D&D. Either works really.