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doc
10-10-2007, 03:49 PM
Since I know how much y'all love good beer :rolleyes:

Emily Fredrix, The Associated Press
MILWAUKEE - The nation's second- and third-largest brewers, Miller and Coors, are planning to blend their U.S. operations to help them compete against industry leader Anheuser-Busch.

The deal, announced Tuesday, will place almost 80 percent of the U.S. beer market in the hands of just two companies, making it a likely target for a tough antitrust review and perhaps pushing Anheuser-Busch to find a merger partner.

Miller Brewing has about 18 percent of the market, as of last year. Molson Coors Brewing has almost 11 percent, and Anheuser-Busch just under half the market.

"This is bad news for Anheuser," said Nikolaas Faes, an analyst at Exane BNP Paribas in London. "Molson and Coors are tiny competitors, but in a joint venture they are much more formidable."

The venture formed by SABMiller, based in London, and Denver-based Molson Coors will sell 69 million barrels of beer annually with $6.6 billion in revenue, the companies said. Anheuser-Busch, whose brands include Budweiser and Michelob, sold 102.3 million barrels in the U.S. last year and had net revenue of $15.7 billion.

The new company will be jointly owned and distribute brands from Miller Lite, Coors and Molson to Peroni in the world's most profitable beer market.

The deal will have to pass an antitrust review by either the Federal Trade Commission or the Department of Justice. But the emergence of many smaller brewers has made the industry more competitive than it was a decade ago, said William MacLeod, an attorney at Kelley Drye Collier Shannon and a former antitrust official at the Department of Justice.

Regulators might even see the pairing as helping offset Anheuser-Busch's dominance, Mark Swartzberg, a Stifel Nicolaus analyst, wrote in a research note.

The move could prompt a long-rumored deal between Anheuser-Busch and InBev, the world's largest brewer by volume, said Juli Niemann, an analyst with Smith Moore in St. Louis.

"They're going in the inevitable direction, and I think that's the InBev direction," she said.

Such pairings deliver huge cost savings, she said, and a deal with InBev, known for beers like Stella Artois, would help Anheuser-Busch.

Precise financial terms of the Miller-Coors deal were not disclosed. SABMiller will have a 58 percent economic interest in the venture, and Molson Coors will own 42 percent. But they will have equal voting interests.

The companies said the venture will result in cost savings of $500 million over three years, mainly from reducing shipping distances, optimizing production and eliminating overlapping corporate and marketing services.

Pete Coors, vice chairman of Molson Coors, will be chairman of the new company, with Molson Coors Chief Executive Leo Kiely the CEO. Tom Long, CEO of Miller, will be president and chief commercial officer.

Kiely said beer sales and profits industrywide are dwindling because of rising sales of wine, spirits and craft beers.

Beer Marketer's Insights reports overall beer sales were up just over 1 percent last year, while crafts were up 11-12 percent, imports 7-8 percent and lights in the low single digits. Dragging the industry down, executive editor Eric Shepard said, is mainstream, nonlight beers, such as Bud, Miller and Coors.

The merger has long been expected, he said, but the question now is how Miller Lite and Coors Light will keep their own identities.

"You have two powerhouse light brands," he said. "Can they figure out how to do that and not get in each other's way?"

Bud Light is the nation's top selling light beer, by far, he said, while Miller Lite and Coors Light have long been second and third, sometimes swapping positions.

Consumers won't notice much difference after the merger, he said, though they can probably expect to see more national marketing campaigns.

The company will decide on a location for the new headquarters, executives said, though they promised to keep a presence in Miller's hometown of Milwaukee and Coors' headquarters in Golden, Colo. Miller has 6,000 employees and eight breweries, and Coors has 4,000 employees and two breweries.

The announcement sent Molson Coors stock to a record high and its biggest gain since a merger formed the company in February 2005.

Shares of Molson Coors Brewing hit a 52-week high of $57.68 on the news Tuesday. The stock rose $5.32 to $56.15. SABMiller shares rose 1.43 percent in London. Anheuser-Busch shares fell 46 cents to $51.57.

Varaj
10-10-2007, 05:01 PM
I don't care because I don't like beer in general.

Pigs in Space
10-10-2007, 06:31 PM
The only good things about US beer are the TV ads, and the advent of microbreweries.

Hatter
10-10-2007, 06:58 PM
Soon to be twice as lousy.

TiQuinn
10-10-2007, 08:26 PM
I'm curious how Anheuser-Busch, Miller, Coors and the rest manage to make their beer taste so bad as opposed to regular local breweries. I mean I've had some good pilsners before, and I'm wondering if there are any home brewers out there who have any idea how the big breweries manage to make such inferior beer. Do they substitute formaldyhyde for the hops or something? They must be skimping on something that would make it a better beer, but what?

Varaj
10-11-2007, 09:37 AM
I'm curious how Anheuser-Busch, Miller, Coors and the rest manage to make their beer taste so bad as opposed to regular local breweries. I mean I've had some good pilsners before, and I'm wondering if there are any home brewers out there who have any idea how the big breweries manage to make such inferior beer. Do they substitute formaldyhyde for the hops or something? They must be skimping on something that would make it a better beer, but what?

I wonder if it is as bad as everybody says why it out sells everything else.

PWD
10-11-2007, 09:45 AM
I wonder if it is as bad as everybody says why it out sells everything else.

Why does Celine Dion sell albums? Life's eternal mysteries...

Varaj
10-11-2007, 09:57 AM
Why does Celine Dion sell albums? Life's eternal mysteries...

Because enough people like them and that certainly fits at least one definition of good.

Limper
10-11-2007, 10:03 AM
Miller sucks, Coors sucks and AB sucks.

If you had seen it coming and owned shares of Coors ahead of the announcement you'd have made a mint on the deal.

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 10:15 AM
I wonder if it is as bad as everybody says why it out sells everything else.

It's cheap, they were able to mass market it, and it became a staple in the American diet. Everyone knows that they can make a better hamburger at home or get one at a decent restaurant than they could at McDonald's, but McD's is cheap and they're everywhere.

Varaj
10-11-2007, 10:21 AM
It's cheap, they were able to mass market it, and it became a staple in the American diet. Everyone knows that they can make a better hamburger at home or get one at a decent restaurant than they could at McDonald's, but McD's is cheap and they're everywhere.

And enough people like how they taste. Doesn't matter if they are cheap if they taste like crap for too many people they wouldn't succeed.

Dr_Avalanche
10-11-2007, 11:17 AM
They don't taste much, which make them easy to drink for a lot of people.

Bud now, there's a beer that tastes awful...

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 11:26 AM
And enough people like how they taste. Doesn't matter if they are cheap if they taste like crap for too many people they wouldn't succeed.

A lot of people have grown accustomed to it, and a lot of people haven't had any other types of beer.

PWD
10-11-2007, 11:30 AM
A lot of people have grown accustomed to it, and a lot of people haven't had any other types of beer.

Right. You cannot mistake popularity (let alone simple convenience) for quality.

And before someone asks, you're goddamn right I'm more qualified to judge.

Varaj
10-11-2007, 11:34 AM
A lot of people have grown accustomed to it, and a lot of people haven't had any other types of beer.

How very patronizing of you.

Right. You cannot mistake popularity (let alone simple convenience) for quality.

But I can easily say it fits one definition of good. :)


And before someone asks, you're goddamn right I'm more qualified to judge.

Sure you are. :grey:

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 11:37 AM
How very patronizing of you.

I see a bunch of people in here saying its shit besides you. Would you care for me to poll everyone in the country before stating my opinion?

Xavier Lang
10-11-2007, 11:43 AM
I always hear people talk about how bad Busch, Miller, and Coors are yet...
"102.3 million barrels in the U.S. last year and had net revenue of $15.7 billion."
Just for Busch. 15 Billion with a "B" means odds are more than a few people like the stuff.

Varaj
10-11-2007, 11:44 AM
I see a bunch of people in here saying its shit besides you. Would you care for me to poll everyone in the country before stating my opinion?

I always hear people talk about how bad Busch, Miller, and Coors are yet...
"102.3 million barrels in the U.S. last year and had net revenue of $15.7 billion."
Just for Busch. 15 Billion with a "B" means odds are more than a few people like the stuff.

Those sales are a pretty good poll.

Harry
10-11-2007, 11:47 AM
I understand the hate for Bud and Coors. The hate for Miller not so much. I decided years ago that is my choices were restricted to the big pilsners, it was going to be Miller High Life, or Miller Genuine Draft. If those two were not available, I'd drink nothing, wine or liquor. I never thought the Miller offerings were the same quality as truly better beers, but they aren't drivel, and they taste quite nice. Just thin. Bud simply tastes awful. If I were going to drink a bad beer, I'd rather it at least be a cheap beer. Say, something like Schaeffers. At least then I wouldn't be pretending.

Addendum: All the popular American beers taste like shit when they are in a can. The fact that most people prefer to buy them in cans instead of the just as readily available bottles means that the average American doesn't give a rats ass about how they taste.

But all of this is moot now. I am getting well nigh on a year since I've even had a Shirley Temple.

Utrecht
10-11-2007, 11:49 AM
Further, I have gotten the impression from friends who drink beer, that there is a "cool" factor to drinking the "right" beer - in effect being beer snobs.

Hell, I find Coors/Mlller/ et all to be just fine - and many of the "crafted" beers to be heavey, bitter and taste like shit.

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Those sales are a pretty good poll.

I've known plenty of people who buy all three because it's a cheap way to get your drunk on. I don't think sales are an indication of quality. It's a way of finding something acceptable for the lowest common denominator.

Varaj
10-11-2007, 11:52 AM
I've known plenty of people who buy all three because it's a cheap way to get your drunk on. I don't think sales are an indication of quality. It's a way of finding something acceptable for the lowest common denominator.


I never said it was quality I said it certainly meets one definition of good.

I also said your statement about the vast majority of beer drinkers was patronizing.

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 11:56 AM
I never said it was quality I said it certainly meets one definition of good.

That's one definition, sure.

I also said your statement about the vast majority of beer drinkers was patronizing.

Doesn't mean it's not true.

Varaj
10-11-2007, 11:57 AM
Doesn't mean it's not true.


What are you basing your belief in the truth of your statement on?

TiQuinn
10-11-2007, 12:00 PM
What are you basing your belief in the truth of your statement on?

Observations and anecdotes, and yes, that's good enough for me. As others have said, it's not like I'm the only one to say they're not very good.

King Vyper
10-11-2007, 12:30 PM
Cheap Beer + Lots of Poor People (including College Students) = Big Numbers

Varaj
10-11-2007, 01:06 PM
Observations and anecdotes, and yes, that's good enough for me. As others have said, it's not like I'm the only one to say they're not very good.

Cool. I say they are poop, but I believe all beer is poop.

Janos
10-11-2007, 01:42 PM
As others have said, availability and consistency play a big part of why Bud, Miller, and Coors remain popular. When I was working in bars, those three sold not because they were the best beer we carried, but because people knew what they were getting, knew it would be available, and knew it would be consistently good.

Corona sells for much the same reason, despite a generally negative opinion of the taste.

I wouldn't even say that people have a negative opinion of the big three because they taste bad. More, they just don't taste good, and instead form an average/middle ground.

doc
10-11-2007, 03:10 PM
When I go to the local beer bar (sells only beer) I get Bud, it's what I always get and is not as nasty as Miller. When Steve had his bar he kept Guinness or Killigans Red in the cooler for me (good to have a friend that owns a bar), I don't consider myself a beer snob as I'll try anything once. I don't do PBR or Juan piss ( ie Corona ) no matter what.

Hatter
10-12-2007, 11:05 AM
Cool. I say they are poop, but I believe all beer is poop.

I actually agree. Only beer I ever liked was Bitburger Pils and you can't really get that in the U.S..

Atropine Mama
10-12-2007, 11:09 AM
Further, I have gotten the impression from friends who drink beer, that there is a "cool" factor to drinking the "right" beer - in effect being beer snobs.

Hell, I find Coors/Mlller/ et all to be just fine - and many of the "crafted" beers to be heavey, bitter and taste like shit.

IAWTP

I drink mostly hard liquor, but if I drink beer I prefer Bud Light. Least offensive, least bitter. Dark beers or stouts or whatever all taste to me like someone shit in a glass and swirled in some pee for balance.

I'm all about the class, baby.

doc
10-12-2007, 12:59 PM
So I'm classless ??? I feel all D20 Modern :lol: !!

Lisa Nadazdy
10-17-2007, 10:15 PM
I'll stick to the home-brewed bear whiz, thank you. The store bought piss generally tastes just that- like piss.