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Janos
10-04-2007, 01:52 PM
Lori Taylor would love to sleep next to her husband — if his snoring and thrashing weren’t guaranteed to keep her awake all night.

Still, the 48-year-old New York City teacher has mixed feelings about choosing to sleep in separate beds.

“There’s something nice about the warmth of a human body next to you, even if you’re not sleeping as well,” says Taylor, who has slept apart from her husband off and on for the last five of her 11-year marriage. “When you’re in bed together you’re in a little private space on your own time. Cuddling up on the couch with the phone ringing isn’t the same.”

Taylor's trouble getting a good night's rest next to her husband isn't unusual. Women sleep less soundly when they share a bed with a romantic partner, a study published this month in Sleep and Biological Rhythms found. Surprisingly, men actually sleep better when they sleep next to a woman.

There are a lot more couples sleeping separately than you might guess, says Mark Mahowald, director of the Minnesota Regional Sleep Disorders Center in Minneapolis and a professor of neurology at the University of Minnesota Medical School. An estimated 23 percent of American couples sleep apart, according to a survey by the National Sleep Foundation. A Canadian study reported that 34 percent of couples hit the sack separately.

Women may have a tougher time sharing a bed because men are much more likely to be snorers, says Mahowald. And often, it’s the woman who has to move to a different bed — or room, in some cases — when the decibel level of her husband's snoring crescendos to an intolerable level.

But snoring may not be the only problem for women who’d like to spoon all through the night.

Device measured movements
For the study, Austrian researchers asked 10 committed couples, ages 21 to 31, to wear a small device called an actigraph on their wrists while they slept at home. An actigraph, which resembles a wristwatch, keeps track of a person’s movements during the night and chronicles their periods of sleep and wakefulness.

The actigraphs showed that the women’s sleep was more fragmented on nights when they shared a bed, than when they slept alone. The differences weren’t huge, but they were significant.

The researchers speculated that women's fretful sleep might be caused by brain wiring differences between men and women. Women tend to be lighter sleepers because they historically have been the ones caring for infants, the researchers suggested.

The actigraph's measurements would most likely have been even more distinct if the couples in the study had been older, says sleep expert Michael Perlis. That’s because snoring becomes more of an issue as men age, explains Perlis, director of the Sleep Research Lab and an associate professor in the department of psychiatry at the University of Rochester in Rochester, N.Y.

Psychologist Wendy Troxel isn’t surprised to see that men do better when sleeping in a shared bed. Studies have shown that men are very dependent on close relationships — contrary to popular stereotypes, says Troxel, a researcher at the University of Pittsburgh who has studied how the quality of a relationship affects overall health and sleep in men and women.

In general, men show much clearer benefits from committed relationships, Troxel says. “My research shows that married men are much happier and healthier than unmarried men," she adds. “The findings are much less consistent with women.”

Willing to sacrifice for a snuggle
Noting that a good night’s sleep is important to daytime functioning, the Austrian researchers suggested that couples might consider the possible deleterious effects of sleeping together and choose separate beds instead.

But Perlis and other sleep experts aren’t convinced that this is the best plan.

“At the end of the day, there’s something essentially comforting about this behavior — so much so that people are sometimes willing to sacrifice perfect sleep to get it,” Perlis says. “I’d be hard pressed to imagine recommending with a cheerful heart for people to sleep apart.”

Perlis and other experts suggest couples look for solutions to snoring and other sleep problems before turning to separate beds. “I’d recommend ear plugs, whatever it takes,” Perlis says. “That’s also partly a personal judgment.”

Ear plugs have helped Taylor and her husband sleep through the night on vacations when the couple needed to share a bed. But, she says, they don’t help enough to make a shared bed work at home.

“I’d like him to go get a sleep study,” she adds. “But so far he’s been unwilling to do that.”

Some comments in Doc's thread about what your partner does in bed got me thinking about this again. How many people here sleep next to their significant other as they sleep?

Unfortunately, my snoring drives my lady from the bed about half the time.

doc
10-04-2007, 02:13 PM
When we're at each others houses we sleep next to each other

Northcott
10-04-2007, 02:20 PM
If she wouldn't flip out about it, I wouldn't. As it is, I do. The woman's a horrible bed hog. Half my size and takes up 2/3rds of the bed. I often wake up in pain because there's a fucking knee in my back, or she got too warm and ditched the sheets -- piling them on top of me. Or the extra pillow she sleeps with has been jammed under my lower back. Or she's just edged me right to the edge of the bed. Or simply hogged all the blankets in the dead of winter.

When we used to live up on the rez and our house would drop down to around 10 degrees (halfway to freezing from room temperature, for you Yanks), I'd regularly wake up in the middle of the night, freezing my ass off. After God knows how many nights of unwrapping my wife from her cocoon so I could have some blankets, I finally snapped, grabbed hold of one end of the blankets, and hauled as hard as I could. I watched her spin like a top in the air before hitting the bed, suddenly awake, and mad as a hornet's nest.

I slept much better that night. :D Countless polite requests to have that irritating habit stop? No results. One moment of spinning like a top? Cured!

doc
10-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Hair in the mouth, cover hogging, talking in her sleep (replaying work) and the ever popular cat making my happy place her nesting place

Xavier Lang
10-04-2007, 02:29 PM
My wife and I used to have continual sheet control wars until we discovered that if we tuck the end of the sheet up under the foot of the bed neither of us could wrest enough control of the sheets while asleep to deprive the other.

I've been trying to talk her into a sleep study because she sleeps so poorly but maybe I should do one as well or instead if I could be the culprit of her poor sleeping. I snore and toss and turn and have woken her up because I was laughing in a dream or stressing because I was having a nightmare.

Janos
10-04-2007, 02:35 PM
I've been trying to talk her into a sleep study because she sleeps so poorly but maybe I should do one as well or instead if I could be the culprit of her poor sleeping. I snore and toss and turn and have woken her up because I was laughing in a dream or stressing because I was having a nightmare.

We're looking into having it done. I suspect I have sleep apnea and want to get checked out, and she just sleeps poorly in general. Occasionally I'll stop breathing while sleeping, and she'll wake up in a panic. Same thing with the snoring.

doc
10-04-2007, 02:37 PM
What do y'all do that bothers the SO ? I know I talk in my sleep (got the recording) sometimes, and I roll off the bed and not wake up.

Limper
10-04-2007, 02:38 PM
Our bed is one of those monster sleep number jobs and she still ends up on my side... of course I sleep on an 80 and she on a 30 so she has to work much harder to crowd me than she used to.

doc
10-04-2007, 02:41 PM
Our bed is one of those monster sleep number jobs and she still ends up on my side... of course I sleep on an 80 and she on a 30 so she has to work much harder to crowd me than she used to.

Are those as cofortable as they say ?

Limper
10-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Are those as cofortable as they say ?

Very much so. They also break down into very manageable pieces... nothing more that 3'x3' so you can get them into and out of any spot in the house.

Janos
10-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Our bed is one of those monster sleep number jobs and she still ends up on my side... of course I sleep on an 80 and she on a 30 so she has to work much harder to crowd me than she used to.

We have a California/Western king, and she still manages to dominate the damn thing. Its uncanny, like she has a heat sensor that only activates while she sleeps (and I suspect the sensor is in her toes).

doc
10-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Way better then trying to get a king size mattress in and out of the house when you move.

Limper
10-04-2007, 02:47 PM
Way better then trying to get a king size mattress in and out of the house when you move.

I can move the whole King sized, pillow top bed in a 99 Honda civic 2 door and have room for other stuff.

doc
10-04-2007, 02:50 PM
We have a California/Western king, and she still manages to dominate the damn thing. Its uncanny, like she has a heat sensor that only activates while she sleeps (and I suspect the sensor is in her toes).

Heard thos things were big, but never seen one.

doc
10-04-2007, 03:07 PM
No one mentioned that horror of sleeping with a SO night time flatulance, try looking at you're sweetie after a eye watering blast from a meal of white beans and ham.

Northcott
10-04-2007, 03:09 PM
What do y'all do that bothers the SO ? I know I talk in my sleep (got the recording) sometimes, and I roll off the bed and not wake up.


I snore (so does she) and dare to move. Pointing out that my moving probably wouldn't bother her so much if she weren't hogging the bed in the first place has not met with stellar results. :D

doc
10-04-2007, 03:11 PM
Have you tried Breathe Rite strips ?

Janos
10-04-2007, 03:32 PM
Heard thos things were big, but never seen one.

Its about 4" bigger on length and width.

I've used the Breathe-Rite strips, but they don't really help. Nasal decongestant does the trick really well actually, but the stuff is really bad to use on a regular basis, so I save it for really bad nights.

Iron Jenny Kidd
10-04-2007, 04:16 PM
I snore and toss and turn. We have a full size mattress so hubby can't escape my thrashing. Sucka!

He snores, too, and far louder than I. Plus he stays up later than I do and wakes me with his fight for covers. Not to mention the farts. I'd say we break even.

Hatter
10-04-2007, 04:29 PM
I usually can deal with the snoring unless he's been drinking, then I'll sleep on the couch.

Black Angel
10-04-2007, 06:21 PM
Thank goodness neither of us snores which is awesome, but we certainly have the doona debacle. I'm always cold when I get into bed, so I like to be all covered up, whereas Coops is usually a lot warmer, and wants to stick his legs out, leaving a weird bunchy pile in the middle of the bed, and cold wind whistling through. The only times we haven't slept in the same bed is either when one of us is away or when I'm having trouble sleeping for no adequately explored reason & I get up to read for a while (I hate lying around tossing & turning - I feel like I'm waking him up all the time) and fall asleep in a beanbag instead!

TiQuinn
10-04-2007, 08:00 PM
Living with a deaf person has its advantages. My wife doesn't hear me snore, unless I'm snoring REALLY loud.

GreyOne
10-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Living with a deaf person has its advantages. My wife doesn't hear me snore, unless I'm snoring REALLY loud.

She doesn't hear me snore either.

TiQuinn
10-04-2007, 08:29 PM
She doesn't hear me snore either.

That's because you're all the way across the continent.

And you have PWD's dick in your mouth.

strawberry
10-04-2007, 08:43 PM
We sleep in the same bed, but we have learned to do so harmoniously we must have separate covers to prevent blanket-stealing and because of different temperature preferences.

Glass
10-04-2007, 08:47 PM
Ariel & I share a bed(not much choice in a studio), and I sleep on my stomach, because it minimizes my snoring. I have a tendency to roll over in my sleep, though, so she & I have fun stories of her waking up to try to get me to roll back onto my stomach. "Drew, roll the fuck over!", when she got frustrated and ready to hit me one night, is a favorite. :D

seizure salad
10-04-2007, 11:38 PM
seth and i usually sleep together on the weekends. i sleep with earplugs and caccooned in my own bubble of blankets. we joke that we need to eventually get a california king size bed and lay it 90degrees from the way its intended for optimun stretch out room.

Thoth-Amon
10-05-2007, 12:02 AM
With the way I snore I am amazed I don't wake up alone most mornings.

doc
10-05-2007, 11:26 AM
That's because you're all the way across the continent.

And you have PWD's dick in your mouth.

I thought they were just good friends.

Dawnstar
10-05-2007, 11:34 AM
Both me and my hubby snore so that is not usually a problem. He likes to cuddle at night and once I fall asleep, I do not want to be held. Also we are opposites when it comes to covers. If he is cold, I am hot and vice versa, so we normally sleep with two different blankets on the bed, one for him and one for me.

When we do not sleep together in the bed, it is usually because one of us is sick, or one of the kids is sick.

GreyOne
10-05-2007, 08:16 PM
That's because you're all the way across the continent.

And you have PWD's dick in your mouth.

How else am I gonna get the sesame seeds out of my teeth?

Bitch.