C'mon Seinfeld-hatahs!

[GreyOne]

Bring it!

[Snatch]

First half of the run - good stuff.

Last half - not that great.

That's the best I got. I'm not a serious hatah.

[TiQuinn]

Comedies about New Yorkers are annoying.

[Freedom Canadian]

New Yorkers are annoying.

Fixed it for Borko.

[GreyOne]

Comedies about New Yorkers are annoying.

World War II-caper hippies ARE comedy gold after all.

[GreyOne]

First half of the run - good stuff.

Last half - not that great.

That's the best I got. I'm not a serious hatah.

The last half had many of the funniest episodes. The last couple years (of the 9-year run) had more "off" episodes, but there were always nuggets of comedy gold that outshone anything ever produced in Nothingland.

[Varaj]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

[GreyOne]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

Um, no they're not. They're unlikeable yet strangely likeable at the same time. That's their beauty. Not everyone "gets" Seinfeld, but to say the show was not funny is to be missing your soul.

The whole point of Seinfeld was that there was to never be "a lesson," which made it unlike any other show.

Just take the four characters, put them in an everyday situation and watch them use language to produce pure comedic genius.

[Varaj]

Um, no they're not. They're unlikeable yet strangely likeable at the same time. That's their beauty. Not everyone "gets" Seinfeld, but to say the show was not funny is to be missing your soul.

It is not funny in the same way that Friends is not funny. The characters are subhuman intellect stupid.

Yes because some guy making his room smoker friendly and then getting to be on a billboard is very funny. :confused:

[GreyOne]

The characters are subhuman intellect stupid.



In what way? Could I hazard a dossier of evidence from you? The characters are neurotic, selfish, and egotistical, but hardly stupid. Indeed, I'd say they're a good representation of half the posters on this site. Present company excluded. :D

[GreyOne]

Yes because some guy making his room smoker friendly and then getting to be on a billboard is very funny. :confused:

:confused:

[Varaj]

:confused:

Episode with Krammer being upset about anti-smoking stuff.

[Varaj]

In what way? Could I hazard a dossier of evidence from you? The characters are neurotic, selfish, and egotistical, but hardly stupid. Indeed, I'd say they're a good representation of half the posters on this site. Present company excluded. :D

See my post about the smoking, or the the obsession with the soup nazi, or getting drugs from a dentist, or being worried about a penis after swimming.

[TiQuinn]

World War II-caper hippies ARE comedy gold after all.

Indeed they are. :)

[GreyOne]

See my post about the smoking, or the the obsession with the soup nazi, or getting drugs from a dentist, or being worried about a penis after swimming.

Those were funny episodes. Very funny. Deliciously silly and funny. If that's what you use to represent "stupid," okay. Then every character ever on Monty Python was pretty damn stupid. Same with Fawlty Towers, etc, etc.

Could you give me an example of something you think is funny? Just for reference sake.

[Varaj]

Those were funny episodes. Very funny. Deliciously silly and funny.

Could you give me an example of something you think is funny? Just for reference sake.

Movies that are funny.
Ghostbusters, Emperors New Groove, Caddyshack, Shaun of the Dead
TV shows
Can't think of any but I watch very little TV and generally can't stomach sit coms. MASH had lots of funny moments but I wouldn't really call it a funny show.

[GreyOne]

Indeed they are. :)

Hey man, I respect your love for Kelly's Heroes. I mock it, but I respect it.

[Varaj]

If that's what you use to represent "stupid," okay. Then every character ever on Monty Python was pretty damn stupid. Same with Fawlty Towers, etc, etc.

Monthy Python was sketch comedy so that is an apple to orange comparison. Never heard of Fawity Towers.

[GreyOne]

Movies that are funny.
Ghostbusters, Emperors New Groove, Caddyshack, Shaun of the Dead
TV shows
Can't think of any but I watch very little TV and generally can't stomach sit coms. MASH had lots of funny moments but I wouldn't really call it a funny show.

A Bill Murray fan? See I think Bill Murray is a comedy genius in a quirky kind of way. He tends to play "stupid" characters though.

Shaun of the Dead is hilarious mostly for the interplay between Shaun and Ed. But both are "stupid men."

Never heard of the Emperor's new groove.

[GreyOne]

Never heard of Fawity Towers.


:what:

[GreyOne]

Monthy Python was sketch comedy so that is an apple to orange comparison. Never heard of Fawity Towers.

Seinfeld in many ways is Sketch comedy too.

[Varaj]

:what:

I bet you liked the Bob New Heart Show didn't you?

[Varaj]

Seinfeld in many ways is Sketch comedy too.

No it isn't, is episodic sit com.

[GreyOne]

I bet you liked New Heart didn't you?

Bob Newhart? I liked the Larry and brothers Daryl joke. It's not in my top comedies though.

[Schizm]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

QFT.

Good comedy is based on surprise. Too many comedians end up basing comdey on shock value (which is similar, but eventually predictable). Jerry Seinfeld based his "comedy" on normal stupid shit that is neither surprising nor shocking.

[GreyOne]

No it isn't, is episodic sit com.

No, that's too dismissive of what it really is. The show is certainly not a formulaic sit-com. It's absurdist and never contains an element of melodrama or message.

[Varaj]

No, that's too dismissive of what it really is. The show is certainly not a formulaic sit-com.

Not formulaic?:confused: You have been huffing way too much drow crack.:tongue:

[GreyOne]

QFT.

Good comedy is based on surprise. Too many comedians end up basing comdey on shock value (which is similar, but eventually predictable). Jerry Seinfeld based his "comedy" on normal stupid shit that is neither surprising nor shocking.

Thank god the people without comedic talent are hatin' in this thread. Otherwise it might seem I'd be fighting an uphill battle.

[Schizm]

Thank god the people without comedic talent are hatin' in this thread. Otherwise it might seem I'd be fighting an uphill battle.

Your definition of comedic talent seems to include juvenile dick and fart jokes, along with the venerated "your mom" catagory of humor.

I assure you that while you do laugh uproriously at such jokes, the other people in the room aren't laughing with you - they're laughing at you.

[GreyOne]

Not formulaic?:confused: You have been huffing way too much drow crack.:tongue:

Apparently you're trying to sell it, 'cause there's nothing formulaic or typical about Seinfeld.

There's no other show before it that's like it, and there's been no show since that even reaches close to the funny, besides the Office.

[GreyOne]

Your definition of comedic talent seems to include juvenile dick and fart jokes, along with the venerated "your mom" catagory of humor.

I assure you that while you do laugh uproriously at such jokes, the other people in the room aren't laughing with you - they're laughing at you.

schism, you wouldn't know funny if it had a cheat code.

Juvenile dick and fart jokes have never been funny but "mom" jokes, delivered with the right timing and pizzaz are beautiful.

Oh, yeah, the "other people in the room joke" was never funny even when it was produced in 1952.

[Varaj]

Apparently you're trying to sell it, 'cause there's nothing formulaic or typical about Seinfeld.

There's no other show before it that's like it, and there's been no show since that even reaches close to the funny, besides the Office.

It is very formulaic. Take brain dead unfunny characters and have them fuck up what ever situation they are put into. They show is exactly the same as Who's the Boss or Friends or Bossom Buddies, or Three's Company, etc.

[GreyOne]

It is very formulaic. Take brain dead unfunny characters and have them fuck up what ever situation they are put into. They show is exactly the same as Who's the Boss or Friends or Bossom Buddies, or Three's Company, etc.

This is where your ignorance of the show shines through with shiny waves of pure ignorance.

[Varaj]

This is where your ignorance of the show shines through with shiny waves of pure ignorance.

If by ignorance you mean that I've only every seen two or three episodes you would be correct.

[GreyOne]

Hey I can lash out with waves of Karma too!

schizm you pussy!

[GreyOne]

If by ignorance you mean that I've only every seen two or three episodes you would be correct.

Well, if you want to highlight your ignorance you were doing a pretty good job already without actually spelling it out.

:D

[Varaj]

Well, if you want to highlight your ignorance you were doing a pretty good job already without actually spelling it out.

:D

I've never deeply studied human feces either but I still know it smells like shit. :tongue:

[Schizm]

Hey I can lash out with waves of Karma too!

schizm you pussy!

So I rate you as a shitweasel, given that my opinion of you hasn't changed, and you whine about it?

Yup. If I neg repped you, would you whine about that too?

[GreyOne]

So I rate you as a shitweasel, given that my opinion of you hasn't changed, and you whine about it?

Yup. If I neg repped you, would you whine about that too?

:lol:

Schizm you're a deluxe pussy. Predictable and witless. I can pretty much predict when you'll make an appearance in a thread I start and what you'll say.

Have a great day playing Tetris!

[GreyOne]

I've never deeply studied human feces either but I still know it smells like shit. :tongue:

Interesting, that you've tasted it though.

[Varaj]

Interesting, that you've tasted it though.

:confused:

[Schizm]

:confused:

I think it's supposed to be humor. :confused:

[TiQuinn]

Schizm vs. Greyone isn't nearly as interesting or entertaining as Atticus vs. Greyone, for the record.

[GreyOne]

:confused:

Um, tongue?

[GreyOne]

:confused:

Go with your bliss, schizm.

[GreyOne]

Schizm vs. Greyone isn't nearly as interesting or entertaining as Atticus vs. Greyone, for the record.

I prefer TiQuinn vs. Northcott to both of those, or Cyragnome vs. Izzie, or TiQuinn's mom vs. (cntxt)'s mom. Way more sexual tension in those ones.

[Xavier Lang]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

That was always my impression as well. To each there own. Millions of people watched it and watched it often, so obviously it appealed to many people in some manner.

[Sobek]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

Pretty well sums it up -- and I agree with everything else Varaj has said here (except I'm familiar with Fawlty Towers).

Seinfeld was a show that was famously about nothing. Not so oddly, that's exactly the amount value to be found in it, as well.

[TiQuinn]

I prefer TiQuinn vs. Northcott to both of those, or Cyragnome vs. Izzie, or TiQuinn's mom vs. (cntxt)'s mom. Way more sexual tension in those ones.


Personally, I prefer TiQuinn Vs. Greyone's wife. She's a tough fight, but the donkey punch usually puts her down. :D

[Atticus_of_Amber]

Schizm vs. Greyone isn't nearly as interesting or entertaining as Atticus vs. Greyone, for the record.

I dunno, I found this thread moderately diverting.

[GreyOne]

Personally, I prefer TiQuinn Vs. Greyone's wife. She's a tough fight, but the donkey punch usually puts her down. :D


Well we always knew you were an ass.

[GreyOne]

That was always my impression as well. To each there own. Millions of people watched it and watched it often, so obviously it appealed to many people in some manner.
See this is a reasonable post.

[GreyOne]

Not so oddly, that's exactly the amount value to be found in it, as well.

See, this is not a reasonable post since it completely ignores fact.

[Schizm]

Schizm vs. Greyone isn't nearly as interesting or entertaining as Atticus vs. Greyone, for the record.

Sorry TiQuinn. I don't have the ability to be as loathsomely moronic as Atticus, no matter how hard I try.

[Varaj]

So Greyone why is this such a personal subject for you? To watching Seinfeld save your marriage or something?

[GreyOne]

So Greyone why is this such a personal subject for you? To watching Seinfeld save your marriage or something?

No not at all and I'm not sure where I've given that impression. Like many things I argue about on the internet and shoot the shit about, it usually centres around hyperbole used by others to comment on things I see value in. If that makes it personal well that's your perception.

Seinfeld through it's entire run I found to be hilarious at most times. Millions upon millions of others did too. Indeed it's on most top ten lists as one of the greatest comedies in history. You will find probably more commentary on Seinfeld on the internet than any other show. It was a show that was new and entirely unconventional for the time and has had a huge effect on pop culture. That is fact. To deny it and go on about it having no value or not being funny is patently ridiculous. Not much more than hyperbole. It's like I said in the other thread.

[Varaj]

No not at all and I'm not sure where I've given that impression. Like many things I argue about on the internet and shoot the shit about, it usually centres around hyperbole used by others to comment on things I see value in. If that makes it personal well that's your perception.

Seinfeld through it's entire run I found to be hilarious at most times. Millions upon millions of others did too. Indeed it's on most top ten lists as one of the greatest comedies in history. You will find probably more commentary on Seinfeld on the internet than any other show. It was a show that was new and entirely unconventional for the time and has had a huge effect on pop culture. That is fact. To deny it and go on about it having no value or not being funny is patently ridiculous. Not much more than hyperbole. It's like I said in the other thread.


Funny is by definition an opinion. If one person says it isn't funny they are correct. You say it is funny you are correct to. I'm just amazed that you are throwing negative rep and karma over the subject. I'm was somewhat surprise it turned heated, but I'm easily confused. :D

[GreyOne]

Funny is by definition an opinion. If one person says it isn't funny they are correct. You say it is funny you are correct to. I'm just amazed that you are throwing negative rep and karma over the subject. I'm was somewhat surprise it turned heated, but I'm easily confused. :D

I dislike hyperbole. I don't send out negative rep either. Official policy.

It was never heated until schizm brought his shit.

I very rarely take the internet seriously. I just like arguing and trash-talking with it.

[Varaj]

I dislike hyperbole. I don't send out negative rep either. Official policy.

It was never heated until schizm brought his shit.

I very rarely take the internet seriously. I just like arguing and trash-talking with it.

If you say so.

[GreyOne]

If you say so.

I do.

[Snatch]

The characters on the show are so incredibly stupid it is painful to watch.

I think ultimately that's what turned me off of the show. The characters and their actions became far too painful to watch. For instance, I cringed every time George appeared on screen in the later seasons.

[GreyOne]

I think ultimately that's what turned me off of the show. The characters and their actions became far too painful to watch. For instance, I cringed every time George appeared on screen in the later seasons.

See this is almost my complaint about the Curb Your Enthusiasm show, which is really the same type of humour. It doesn't work as well as with the cast of Seinfeld. They were all perfect for eachother. It does work better with a show like the Office. That uncomfortable brand of humour.

The moronic antics of George.

The even-steven nature of Jerry's life.

The ups and downs of Elaine.

The other world of Kramer. All blending and feeding into eachother.

The finale, though not as well-executed as it should have been took them all to account for their selfish, absurdist, antics. Having dozens of the crazy, strange characters they encountered over the years testify at their trial was fitting.

In the end, there was no message, no melodrama and no learning. There was, however, a freaking treasure trove of comedy gold.


The summer of George.
The bubble boy.
The JFK assassination bit.
The fusilli Jerry
The dueling barbers
The top of the muffin
The Steinbrenner antics
The peeing in the parking garage
The Chinese baldness cure
The mistaken serial killer identity of Kramer
The karate episode
The Rusty episode
The toxic envelopes
The smelly car
The model episode
The puffy shirt
The calzone and the pennies.


Beautiful, beautiful comedy.

[Atticus_of_Amber]

I think ultimately that's what turned me off of the show. The characters and their actions became far too painful to watch. For instance, I cringed every time George appeared on screen in the later seasons.

Which leads to the hypothesis that maybe stupid people like the show because it makes them feel less stupid, by comparison with the characters? ;)

[GreyOne]

Which leads to the hypothesis that maybe stupid people like the show because it makes them feel less stupid, by comparison with the characters? ;)

Atticus of Amber. Putting a stop to comedy since 2003.

[Enk]

... You will find probably more commentary on Seinfeld on the internet than any other show...

GreyOne has just created a modern day koan.

In other news, all this talk about Seinfeld reminds me of the movie Jerry Seinfeld made a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbFuNQwTbs

[GreyOne]

GreyOne has just created a modern day koan.

In other news, all this talk about Seinfeld reminds me of the movie Jerry Seinfeld made a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbFuNQwTbs

:lol:

I'm enlightened and I didn't even know it.

So that's the guy who does "that" voice.

[EhtoZed]

QFT.

Good comedy is based on surprise. Too many comedians end up basing comdey on shock value (which is similar, but eventually predictable). Jerry Seinfeld based his "comedy" on normal stupid shit that is neither surprising nor shocking.Maybe someone jumping out of a closet is the height of comedy for dirty hippies, but the rest of the world recognises a wide range of comedic styles.



The summer of George.
The bubble boy.
The JFK assassination bit.
The fusilli Jerry
The dueling barbers
The top of the muffin
The Steinbrenner antics
The peeing in the parking garage
The Chinese baldness cure
The mistaken serial killer identity of Kramer
The karate episode
The Rusty episode
The toxic envelopes
The smelly car
The model episode
The puffy shirt
The calzone and the pennies.


Beautiful, beautiful comedy.
The close talker
J. Peterman
The cashmere sweater
George's Toupe
Independant George
Cinnamon Babka
Seinfeld, party of four!
The sea was angry that day my friends...
The wedding in India and the birthday wish
Terri Hatcher's boobs
The hot coffee lawsuit
Elaine's armoire and the gay thugs
The frogger arcade machine
Bathroom book
Shrinkage
We are living in a society!
Serenity now!
Good naked, bad naked
The jerk store called, they're out of you!
Spongeworthy
Regifting
Donna Chang
Bizzaro Jerry
Dominicans
Double dipping
Junior mints
Bosco
The parking spot argument


I could go on all day! I think the Seinfeld hate has more to do with people not wanting to like it because so many other do. It's that whole, it's only cool if no one else likes it shit. Otherwise I can't understand why they get so bent out of shape about those of us who do like it.

[GreyOne]

Maybe someone jumping out of a closet is the height of comedy for dirty hippies, but the rest of the world recognises a wide range of comedic styles.


The close talker
J. Peterman
The cashmere sweater
George's Toupe
Independant George
Cinnamon Babka
Seinfeld, party of four!
The sea was angry that day my friends...
The wedding in India and the birthday wish
Terri Hatcher's boobs
The hot coffee lawsuit
Elaine's armoire and the gay thugs
The frogger arcade machine
Bathroom book
Shrinkage
We are living in a society!
Serenity now!
Good naked, bad naked
The jerk store called, they're out of you!
Spongeworthy
Regifting
Donna Chang
Bizzaro Jerry
Dominicans
Double dipping
Junior mints
Bosco
The parking spot argument


I could go on all day! I think the Seinfeld hate has more to do with people not wanting to like it because so many other do. It's that whole, it's only cool if no one else likes it shit. Otherwise I can't understand why they get so bent out of shape about those of us who do like it.

At last, common sense breathes.

[Dacke]

Monthy Python was sketch comedy so that is an apple to orange comparison. Never heard of Fawity Towers.
You... never heard of Fawlty Towers? Widely considered to be the funniest thing ever?

It's a British comedy series starring John Cleese as Basil Fawlty, the rude and incompetent owner/manager of a small hotel. Made in the 70s. You really need to see it.

[Atticus_of_Amber]

You... never heard of Fawlty Towers? Widely considered to be the funniest thing ever?

It's a British comedy series starring John Cleese as Basil Fawlty, the rude and incompetent owner/manager of a small hotel. Made in the 70s. You really need to see it.

It's classic, but it's also very, very English...

[Limper]

Bring it!

It proves the inevitability of Idiocracy.

[bunny]

I could go on all day! I think the Seinfeld hate has more to do with people not wanting to like it because so many other do. It's that whole, it's only cool if no one else likes it shit. Otherwise I can't understand why they get so bent out of shape about those of us who do like it.


Well, now you've gone and shown that what you think isn't worth a damn.


I tried watching it, I tried to like it. Other people said it was good. All I found was that it alternated between boring and annoying with heavy traces of dumb. As atticus mentioned, much of the humor is sophomoric (for Greyone's sake that is defined as "huh-huh. I'm smarter than that guy. That's funny!") and the rest of it is mean spirited, but not in a clever, dark humor kind of way.

And don't even try to claim that it is absurdist humor. Monty Python is absurdist humor. There was nothing truly absurd about Seinfeld, just dumb.

[EhtoZed]

Well, now you've gone and shown that what you think isn't worth a damn.


I tried watching it, I tried to like it. Other people said it was good. All I found was that it alternated between boring and annoying with heavy traces of dumb. As atticus mentioned, much of the humor is sophomoric (for Greyone's sake that is defined as "huh-huh. I'm smarter than that guy. That's funny!") and the rest of it is mean spirited, but not in a clever, dark humor kind of way.

And don't even try to claim that it is absurdist humor. Monty Python is absurdist humor. There was nothing truly absurd about Seinfeld, just dumb.
Look, it's another one of the cool kids to tell us how dumb Seinfeld is and how stupid we are for liking it. Thank you mam, now can you tell me what other shows I shouldn't like? You know, so I can conform to the cool kids club too.

[Snatch]

See this is almost my complaint about the Curb Your Enthusiasm show, which is really the same type of humour. It doesn't work as well as with the cast of Seinfeld. They were all perfect for eachother. It does work better with a show like the Office. That uncomfortable brand of humour.


There were some great episodes which were more sketch comedy than sit-com, but in the end the antics didn't appeal to me and I lost interest.

YMMV.

[GreyOne]

It proves the inevitability of Idiocracy.

If you're talking about people not finding Seinfeld funny, then I agree and consider you someone of proper intelligence and hygiene.

If you're talking Seinfeld is not funny and leads to some crappy comedy starring the other Wilson brother then I point to Figure A as having relevance to your post: http://www.kaytastrophe.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1099

[GreyOne]

Well, now you've gone and shown that what you think isn't worth a damn.


I tried watching it, I tried to like it. Other people said it was good. All I found was that it alternated between boring and annoying with heavy traces of dumb. As atticus mentioned, much of the humor is sophomoric (for Greyone's sake that is defined as "huh-huh. I'm smarter than that guy. That's funny!") and the rest of it is mean spirited, but not in a clever, dark humor kind of way.

And don't even try to claim that it is absurdist humor. Monty Python is absurdist humor. There was nothing truly absurd about Seinfeld, just dumb.

You've never watched the show if you claim it was not absurdist. Some of the situations and antics were the very definition of absurd.

[bunny]

Look, it's another one of the cool kids to tell us how dumb Seinfeld is and how stupid we are for liking it. Thank you mam, now can you tell me what other shows I shouldn't like? You know, so I can conform to the cool kids club too.


Appart from accurately defining the humor as sophomoric, I don't see how what I wrote is anything other than my opinion. The show is not my cup of tea and I explained why.

If I were to be a cool kid dictating anything about TV, I'd say don't watch. TV is for those with no lives. :tongue:

[GreyOne]

Appart from accurately defining the humor as sophomoric, I don't see how what I wrote is anything other than my opinion. The show is not my cup of tea and I explained why.

If I were to be a cool kid dictating anything about TV, I'd say don't watch. TV is for those with no lives. :tongue:

I take no issue with you not finding it funny. As Varaj described in another thread, it's perception and opinion. I take issue with the hatahs who talk "knowingly" about it when they never really watched it or know much about it.

The humour was also rarely sophomoric. You don't know what you're talking about. You claimed it wasn't absurdist comedy. There you are completely, 100% wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwrQdQSXDbg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDjfEqLWkaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKZQbwCExkM

[bunny]

You've never watched the show if you claim it was not absurdist. Some of the situations and antics were the very definition of absurd.


By comparisson to say Monty Python, the show wasn't absurdist at all.

Seinfeld: eg. Fiancee dying by licking low grade glue on envelopes.
**Survey says** : silly, mean spirited, but not exactly absurd

Monty Python: eg. Aggressive keep left signs.
**Survey says** completely ridiculous, impossible in the real world, absolutely absurd.

[bunny]

I take no issue with you not finding it funny. As Varaj described in another thread, it's perception and opinion.
The humour was also rarely sophomoric. You don't know what you're talking about. You claimed it wasn't absurdist comedy. There you are completely, 100% wrong:


It was about as absurd as the Newheart show, except with less likeable characters. :tongue:

As for sophomoric, maybe I just saw it that way because all I could think was "these characters are incredibly dumb in their decisions and actions that I was left to assume that that's where the comedy was intended to be derived from.

[GreyOne]

By comparisson to say Monty Python, the show wasn't absurdist at all.

Seinfeld: eg. Fiancee dying by licking low grade glue on envelopes.
**Survey says** : silly, mean spirited, but not exactly absurd

Monty Python: eg. Aggressive keep left signs.
**Survey says** completely ridiculous, impossible in the real world, absolutely absurd.

Ah, I see what you're doing. You're taking a specific element (which arguably is absurd farce despite what you think) of one Seinfeld episode and trying to prove the show has no absurdity to it. I gave you several YouTube examples above which ARE absurd situations. The Library cop coming to find a book years after it's lost. The JFK reenactment. The soup nazi. All are absurd situations.

Survey says: You don't what what you're talking about.


I have no problem with anyone saying they don't find the show funny or it's not their type of humour. But don't talk about it if you know next to nothing about it.

[GreyOne]

It was about as absurd as the Newheart show, except with less likeable characters. :tongue:

As for sophomoric, maybe I just saw it that way because all I could think was "these characters are incredibly dumb in their decisions and actions that I was left to assume that that's where the comedy was intended to be derived from.

So you also feel that Monty Python, or Fawlty Towers or the Office, or __________ (almost any show) is sophomoric according to your definition? Huge branches of comedy come from people doing dumb things.



You're some kind of humour snob aren't you? Can I get a humour reference from you just so I know what you appreciate in a comedy?

[bunny]

So you also feel that Monty Python, or Fawlty Towers or the Office, or __________ (almost any show) is sophomoric according to your definition? Huge branches of comedy come from people doing dumb things.

Sophomoric is not simply humor at the idiocy of others, but humor that falsely causes the viewer to feel superior over the characters because the characters should know better and yet act dumbly anyway. Humor that makes you scream "don't do it! AHH HE'S DOIN IT!!" because you know what the results will be. This is not prevalent in Monty Python becuase the humor just makes you go "WTF? I didn't see that coming." This is the divide between sophomoric and absurd.


And no, I'm not a comedy snob. :tongue:

[GreyOne]

Sophomoric is not simply humor at the idiocy of others, but humor that falsely causes the viewer to feel superior over the characters because the characters should know better and yet act dumbly anyway. Humor that makes you scream "don't do it! AHH HE'S DOIN IT!!" because you know what the results will be. This is not prevalent in Monty Python becuase the humor just makes you go "WTF? I didn't see that coming." This is the divide between sophomoric and absurd.


And no, I'm not a comedy snob. :tongue:

Well I guess we'll agree to disagree since I'm not sure where you're coming from. There are plenty of segments of episodes of Seinfeld that make you go WTF?

[bunny]

Well I guess we'll agree to disagree since I'm not sure where you're coming from. There are plenty of segments of episodes of Seinfeld that make you go WTF?


Okay, fair enough. I'll admit that I haven't seen many episodes, and what I've seen has annoyed me too much before I could get any sort of WTF response. I think we may just have differing views on what absurdist is.

I just don't find a jerk running a soup shop too WTF for me. However, street signs that suddenly get up and start roughing up citizens walking by them is terribly absurd. I see the muppets, monty python, and Invader Zim to be highly absurdist because they entertain the idea of events that are beyond feasible real world situations. Seinfeld seems, more often, to take real world situations and turn them into characature. It's like the difference between Algolei and Eh2Zed. *shrug*

[GreyOne]

Okay, fair enough. I'll admit that I haven't seen many episodes, and what I've seen has annoyed me too much before I could get any sort of WTF response. I think we may just have differing views on what absurdist is.

I just don't find a jerk running a soup shop too WTF for me. However, street signs that suddenly get up and start roughing up citizens walking by them is terribly absurd. I see the muppets, monty python, and Invader Zim to be highly absurdist because they entertain the idea of events that are beyond feasible real world situations. Seinfeld seems, more often, to take real world situations and turn them into characature. It's like the difference between Algolei and Eh2Zed. *shrug*

Fair enough. I think it's degrees of absurdity we're talking about.

[Hatter]

Um, no they're not. They're unlikeable yet strangely likeable at the same time.

I was with you until you got to the 'likable' part. I have better things to do than to watch tv shows about the kind of people I avoid in real life.

[Bagpuss]

The soup nazi.

You don't know the guy that runs the chip shop across from my college.

[Sobek]

I just noticed, discussing Seinfeld with GreyOne is like discussing religion with Atticus.

[GreyOne]

I just noticed, discussing Seinfeld with GreyOne is like discussing religion with Atticus.

Hey now let's not lose control of common decency.

[Dark Jezter]

I could go on all day! I think the Seinfeld hate has more to do with people not wanting to like it because so many other do. It's that whole, it's only cool if no one else likes it shit. Otherwise I can't understand why they get so bent out of shape about those of us who do like it.

I think this post hit the nail right on the head. Geeks love to assert their individuality and nonconformist status by sneering at things that have mainstream popularity.

[GreyOne]

I was with you until you got to the 'likable' part. I have better things to do than to watch tv shows about the kind of people I avoid in real life.

I don't mean likable in the sense they're nice guys. They're callous and mean. You watch because you know that they'll end up getting just what they deserve.

They must be likable on some level though, since millions and millions like the show the characters are a part of. Alligator-porking nothinglanders excluded of course.

[GreyOne]

I think this post hit the nail right on the head. Geeks love to assert their individuality and nonconformist status by sneering at things that have mainstream popularity.

Hey man, that's always been the Nothingland way.

[GreyOne]

:lol: Hey. I love what this is doing for my karma.

[Droid101]

Seinfeld was one of the funniest shows on television.

Curb Your Enthusiasm (written and starred in by the Seinfeld writer/co-creator) tries to be as funny, but it doesn't work quite as well due to the characters not meshing quite as well.

Seinfeld is the only show I can think of that makes me laugh as hard as the Simpsons does. Family Guy comes close. The Office is pretty up there (though I've only seen a few episodes). Scrubs is decently funny. Arrested Development was up there too. Futurama has its moments.

[GreyOne]

You don't know the guy that runs the chip shop across from my college.


Maybe he modeled his character after the Soup nazi?

[EhtoZed]

I just noticed, discussing Seinfeld with GreyOne is like discussing religion with Atticus.Really? From were I'm standing it's the haters who have no rational. All they've argued so far is 'I thought Seinfeld was dumb so it must have no merit whatsoever'. I can understand why someone might not like it. The characters are unlikeable, the situations are outlandish, and the whole thing is based on Jerry Seinfeld's comedy. If you don't like his comedy then the show probably won't gel for you. What I can't understand is the fucking jihad they launch everytime someone brings the show up. "Seinfeld is the devil!" "You like Seinfeld!? You must be dumb."

[Varaj]

Really? From were I'm standing it's the haters who have no rational. All they've argued so far is 'I thought Seinfeld was dumb so it must have no merit whatsoever'. I can understand why someone might not like it. The characters are unlikeable, the situations are outlandish, and the whole thing is based on Jerry Seinfeld's comedy. If you don't like his comedy then the show probably won't gel for you. What I can't understand is the fucking jihad they launch everytime someone brings the show up. "Seinfeld is the devil!" "You like Seinfeld!? You must be dumb."

Can you link to any of that?

[Varaj]

I think this post hit the nail right on the head. Geeks love to assert their individuality and nonconformist status by sneering at things that have mainstream popularity.

The only people bent out of shape are the Senfeld fans. /shrug/

[Varaj]

I think this post hit the nail right on the head. Geeks love to assert their individuality and nonconformist status by sneering at things that have mainstream popularity.

:confused:
Nobody is sneering because it was popular, people are saying they didn't find the brand of humor funny.

[EhtoZed]

:confused:
Nobody is sneering because it was popular, people are saying they didn't find the brand of humor funny.
Only they aren't are they. They (or you) are saying the show is incredibly stupid and unfunny while implying those of us who like it are idiots. Deny it if you want, I'm not going to play your argument game with you, but there's a big difference between saying you didn't enjoy it and making it out to be the worst thing ever.

[Varaj]

Only they aren't are they. They (or you) are saying the show is incredibly stupid and unfunny while implying those of us who like it are idiots. Deny it if you want, I'm not going to play your argument game with you, but there's a big difference between saying you didn't enjoy it and making it out to be the worst thing ever.

Is there are reason you are so insecure? You are reading way more into it than I'm seeing. How is it somebody not liking what you like makes you bad?

[Harry]

Isn't this the proper thread for Seinfeld hate? Not that I've seen much hate around this thread. It's hard to hate something you simply don't like and avoid. It's not like bad rap, which gets foisted on you whenever you sit in your car at a red light. Unless, and I may be missing this, there are militant Seinfeld fans out there forcing people to watch the show against their wishes. Lord knows what happens on the coasts. I avoid them.

For that matter, that may be why I avoided Seinfeld when it was first on. It was indicative of a snobby, sarcastic humor that must only go over well with a coastal audience. Just guessing.

But hey, since Acinonyx and GreyOne seem to think everyone is crapping up this "Seinfeld hate" thread, maybe they should start a "Seinfeld Love" thread where they can talk about the show to their hearts content.

[GreyOne]

Isn't this the proper thread for Seinfeld hate? Not that I've seen much hate around this thread. It's hard to hate something you simply don't like and avoid. It's not like bad rap, which gets foisted on you whenever you sit in your car at a red light. Unless, and I may be missing this, there are militant Seinfeld fans out there forcing people to watch the show against their wishes. Lord knows what happens on the coasts. I avoid them.

For that matter, that may be why I avoided Seinfeld when it was first on. It was indicative of a snobby, sarcastic humor that must only go over well with a coastal audience. Just guessing.

But hey, since Acinonyx and GreyOne seem to think everyone is crapping up this "Seinfeld hate" thread, maybe they should start a "Seinfeld Love" thread where they can talk about the show to their hearts content.


Harry, you're the Dyson of Comedy.

[Harry]

Harry, you're the Dyson of Comedy.

Dyson? (http://www.sns.ias.edu/~dyson/)

:indifferent:

[Priss]

I never managed to sit though an entire episode of Seinfeld, and people tried to make me do it numerous times. Main problem, Jerry Seinfeld has NEVER in the history of his career made me laugh or even chuckle. The characters on teh show were annoying, neurotic, narcissistic and unlikable to the point that they had to be friends because no one else could stand them. Hell come to think of it I don't even think they like each other.

I have never and will never understand the popularity of that stupid show and I really couldn't care less that it ran for 9 years. It's just like so many other things I don't get, like American Idol or any other reality show. I would kill my jailers if they made me watch 9 years of Jerry Seinfeld wondering why some girl wouldn't go out him. It's because you suck and should be destroyed Jerry, that's why!

That better Greyone?

[GreyOne]

Is there are reason you are so insecure? You are reading way more into it than I'm seeing. How is it somebody not liking what you like makes you bad?

Varaj! How many genes are you missin'?

[GreyOne]

I never managed to sit though an entire episode of Seinfeld, and people tried to make me do it numerous times. Main problem, Jerry Seinfeld has NEVER in the history of his career made me laugh or even chuckle. The characters on teh show were annoying, neurotic, narcissistic and unlikable to the point that they had to be friends because no one else could stand them. Hell come to think of it I don't even think they like each other.

I have never and will never understand the popularity of that stupid show and I really couldn't care less that it ran for 9 years. It's just like so many other things I don't get, like American Idol or any other reality show. I would kill my jailers if they made me watch 9 years of Jerry Seinfeld wondering why some girl wouldn't go out him. It's because you suck and should be destroyed Jerry, that's why!

That better Greyone?


You dated Janos right?

/things click into place.

:D

[GreyOne]

Dyson? (http://www.sns.ias.edu/~dyson/)

:indifferent:

http://www.dyson.com/homepage.asp

:grey:

[Priss]

You dated Janos right?

/things click into place.

:D

:tongue:

Sure, ignore everything I had to say. I will not be dismissed. Do you hear me? I will not be dismissed! :slap::punch:

[GreyOne]

:tongue:

Sure, ignore everything I had to say. I will not be dismissed. Do you hear me? I will not be dismissed! :slap::punch:

How long were you subjected to Janos's hypno-rays?

;)

[Priss]

How long were you subjected to Janos's hypno-rays?

;)

:pillowfight:
They lose their effect when he starts sleeping with other people. I'm perfectly sane now you can stop using him against me.

[GreyOne]

:pillowfight:
They lose their effect when he starts sleeping with other people. I'm perfectly sane now you can stop using him against me.

:shock:

[Priss]

:shock:

:what:

[GreyOne]

:what:

Was Allan Cole involved? :)

[Harry]

Dyson? (http://www.sns.ias.edu/~dyson/)

:indifferent:

http://www.dyson.com/homepage.asp

:grey:

This tells me a lot about your sense of humor.

:puzzled:

[Priss]

Was Allan Cole involved? :)

Not that I recall but I didn't many lucid moments during that time. :o

[GreyOne]

This tells me a lot about your sense of humor.

:puzzled:

Peanut on fudge toast. What you don't get it?

[GreyOne]

Not that I recall but I didn't many lucid moments during that time. :o

I imagine that was a coping mechanism.

[Hatter]

I don't mean likable in the sense they're nice guys. They're callous and mean. You watch because you know that they'll end up getting just what they deserve.

They must be likable on some level though, since millions and millions like the show the characters are a part of. Alligator-porking nothinglanders excluded of course.

Millions of people watch Paris Hilton reality shows. Alligator-porking nothinglanders excluded of course.

[Sobek]

You dated Janos right?

Wait... Isn't it Janos who is noted for dating psycho-bitches from hell? Or is that someone else?

[Varaj]

You dated Janos right?


Who hasn't dated Janos? :tongue:

[EhtoZed]

Is there are reason you are so insecure? You are reading way more into it than I'm seeing. How is it somebody not liking what you like makes you bad?
You love to play the idiot don't you. Whatever, keep handing out your neg rep whenever somebody calls you on your shit you petty fucker.

[Varaj]

You love to play the idiot don't you. Whatever, keep handing out your neg rep whenever somebody calls you on your shit you petty fucker.

Oh I'm sorry did I hurt your little feelings?

[EhtoZed]

Keep waving that epeen spoony. God forbid someone might like something you don't

[Varaj]

Keep waving that epeen spoony. God forbid someone might like something you don't

:lol:
You're cute when you cry and whine and make stuff up.

[Rappaccini's Daughter]

Keep waving that epeen spoony. God forbid someone might like something you don't

Is this an implication of admin impropriety? Take it up with me, if so, but if not, I don't want to see this horseshit again. Using this particular slander as a personal insult will result in a temp ban wherein you can go bitch about my admin propriety or impropriety whereever else you like for a few days.

[GreyOne]

Millions of people watch Paris Hilton reality shows. Alligator-porking nothinglanders excluded of course.

Yeah, but those same millions can't spell Seinfeld.

Not, Hatter, that there's anything wrong with that.

[Janos]

Wait... Isn't it Janos who is noted for dating psycho-bitches from hell? Or is that someone else?

I've had my fair share although almost all long before I joined the board and I just tell stories about them in my younger, stupider days.

Glass is the one the one that has dated a lot of them recently.

[Sobek]

I've had my fair share although almost all long before I joined the board and I just tell stories about them in my younger, stupider days.

Glass is the one the one that has dated a lot of them recently.

Cool. Priss never really struck me as bat-shit crazy.

[Janos]

Cool. Priss never really struck me as bat-shit crazy.

No comment for fear of my health.

:D

[bunny]

No comment for fear of my health.

:D

Too late. That statement is telling in of itself.

[Janos]

Too late. That statement is telling in of itself.

D'oh

[Priss]

No comment for fear of my health.

:D

I love you too sweetie. Remember I'm coming to visit in a few weeks. :hug:

[Janos]

:grey:

[Priss]

:grey:

Drama queen

[Atropine Mama]

I can't believe the biggest drama KT has seen is over Seinfeld. :shock:

:D

[Limper]

I can't believe the biggest drama KT has seen is over Seinfeld. :shock:

:D

That would also be the most significant contribution the show has made to western civilization.

[GreyOne]

That would also be the most significant contribution the show has made to western civilization.

Limper, you know how to "take" the reservation. You don't know how to "keep" the reservation.

[Janos]

Limper, you know how to "take" the reservation. You don't know how to "keep" the reservation.

Neither you nor I lied to, cheated or stole from them. I doubt either of us have murdered an Amerindian.

It was a war and we won. I'm tired of being told to feel sorry for it.

But he knows how to not feel guilty for the reservation!

;)

[Black Angel]

What has amused me most about this thread is how Grey One invited people who hate Seinfeld to hate on the show, and then got all defensive when people took him up on the offer. What did you think was going to happen dude?

For the record I also hate the show, as I hate many sit-coms. The brand of humour does not appeal to me and makes it too uncomfortable to watch. I fully support other people's choice to watch it, however I will not be joining them.

[GreyOne]

What has amused me most about this thread is how Grey One invited people who hate Seinfeld to hate on the show, and then got all defensive when people took him up on the offer. What did you think was going to happen dude?



Huh? No seriously, huh? Have you been licking toxic envelopes?

[Cat of Ulthar]

Seinfeld is supposed to be a comedy. Comedies are supposed to be funny. Seinfeld is not funny. It's a broken syllogism.

[GreyOne]

Seinfeld is funny. Very funny.

[Bruce Hornsby]That's just the way it is. Some things will never change.[/Bruce Hornsby]

The critics kept it alive for it's first three seasons.

After that it moved up to the number one rated or two-rated shows until the end of it's run as people caught on to it. It is comedy genius.

[Limper]

Seinfeld is funny. Very funny.

[Bruce Hornsby]That's just the way it is. Some things will never change.[/Bruce Hornsby]

The critics kept it alive for it's first three seasons.

After that it moved up to the number one rated or two-rated shows until the end of it's run as people caught on to it. It is comedy genius.

Or like yourself they werre easily led... fess up you loved Everybody Loves Raymond didn't you?

[GreyOne]

Or like yourself they werre easily led... fess up you loved Everybody Loves Raymond didn't you?

Well it is a comedy toss-up between you and Ray Romano...yeah I guess I'd have to go with Ray on that vote, but it was a close one.

Sorry.

[SmokestackJones]

Never heard of the Emperor's new groove.
:what:

:D

-SJ

[Schizm]

I just realized something that seinfeld did that I actually like:

It gave Patrick Warburton a big break. Now that man is funny.

[doc]

I just realized something that seinfeld did that I actually like:

It gave Patrick Warburton a big break. Now that man is funny.

Who ?

[bunny]

Seinfeld is funny. Very funny.

[Bruce Hornsby]That's just the way it is. Some things will never change.[/Bruce Hornsby]

The critics kept it alive for it's first three seasons.

After that it moved up to the number one rated or two-rated shows until the end of it's run as people caught on to it. It is comedy genius.

Hah, apparently you make a bad date.

From the top 10 things not to do on a date:

4. Having too much attitude.
Laurie, a single woman in New York, was asked on a first date what TV shows she watches. When her date learned that she didn’t like the show Seinfeld, he didn’t believe her. Then he wouldn’t let it go for the entire meal. “He just couldn’t fathom my not liking that show,” Laurie explained. “It was as if I’d just said, ‘Yes, I live my life without consuming any liquids.’” Guys, if you want a second dinner, don’t spend the first one trying to convince your date that she’s not normal.

[GreyOne]

Hah, apparently you make a bad date.

From the top 10 things not to do on a date:

Ha. That's why she didn't get laid. She probably liked some shitty show like the Young Ones or something. Can you say Lowest Common Denominator?

[GreyOne]

I love this thread!

[Dr_Avalanche]

I don't get what there is to hate about the show. It's just another dull sitcom that makes you flip to another channel. Power over the remote control rules.

[Name Lips]

Seinfeld 4.0:
Seinfeld is ruining television! Why are we forced to watch it! Don't they care about the genre? Just love the way they're screwing over longtime TV fans - doesn't loyalty count for anything? They're only doing this show to make money. Sure, I could watch something else, but if everybody else loves Seinfeld, I'll be watching TV by myself and that sucks. Seinfeld is ruining my life.

[GreyOne]

I don't get what there is to hate about the show. It's just another dull sitcom that makes you flip to another channel. Power over the remote control rules.

*click*

[GreyOne]

Seinfeld 4.0:
Seinfeld is ruining television! Why are we forced to watch it! Don't they care about the genre? Just love the way they're screwing over longtime TV fans - doesn't loyalty count for anything? They're only doing this show to make money. Sure, I could watch something else, but if everybody else loves Seinfeld, I'll be watching TV by myself and that sucks. Seinfeld is ruining my life.

*click*

Jesus, there's nothing good on.

[Name Lips]

*click*

Jesus, there's nothing good on..

[GreyOne]

.

*fap* *fap* *fap* -click- Damn it I slipped!

[GreyOne]

Every so often I like to take this thread out, shine it up and bask in the glow of its memory.

[cnath.rm]

Every so often I like to take this thread out, shine it up and bask in the glow of its memory.Good to see you man. :)

On the original topic, the show annoyed me as I would be at least somewhat disturbed were Any of the main chars to ever procreate. As long as they were all fixed I can be ok with the show having been made and can even be amused from time to time.

[Name Lips]

I do what I must because I can.


I know it's a lousy sample image but it's still hawt.

[bunny]

I was entertained re-reading this thread with all of Grey One's posts done with the voice of Roger from American Dad.

[GreyOne]

I was entertained re-reading this thread with all of Grey One's posts done with the voice of Roger from American Dad.

Good times.

:tongue:

[GreyOne]

Ahhh. Good times. Good times.

[Cat's Paw Nebula]

Ran out of fap material, GO?

A while back, I stumbled across an article (about the dunning-kreuger effect, here (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201006/when-ignorance-begets-confidence-the-classic-dunning-kruger-effect)) which explained the german word Fremdschamen. It's pretty much why I can't watch Seinfeld or other similar things, and don't find them amusing at all.

Fremdschämen describes embarrassment which is experienced in response to someone else's actions, but it is markedly different from simply being embarrassed for someone else. In particular it is different from being embarrassed because of how another person's actions reflect on us or because of how another person's actions make us look in the eyes of others.

Instead, Fremdscham (the noun) describes the almost-horror you feel when you notice that somebody is oblivious to how embarrassing they truly are. Fremdscham occurs when someone who should feel embarrassed for themselves simply is not, and you start feeling embarrassment in their place.